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From: Leo Famulari <leo@famulari.name>
To: "Ludovic Courtès" <ludo@gnu.org>
Cc: guix-devel <guix-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Removing compilers that cannot be bootstrapped
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2016 20:22:35 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160326002235.GA3676@jasmine> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87d1qi40me.fsf@gnu.org>

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 12:08:09AM +0100, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
> Leo Famulari <leo@famulari.name> skribis:
> 
> > On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 03:49:33PM -0700, Christopher Allan Webber wrote:
> >> Ludovic Courtès writes:
> >> 
> >> > Christopher Allan Webber <cwebber@dustycloud.org> skribis:
> >> >
> >> >> Let me give an even shorter-term solution: maybe there is a way to mark
> >> >> things as risky from a trust perspective when it comes to bootstrapping?
> >> >> Maybe we could do something like:
> >> >>
> >> >>   (define-public ghc
> >> >>     (package
> >> >>       (name "ghc")
> >> >>       (version "7.10.2")
> >> >>       ;; [... bla bla ...]
> >> >>       (properties '(("bootstrap-untrusted" #t)))))
> >> >
> >> > Why not, but what would be the correspond warning, and the expected
> >> > effect?
> >> 
> >> A warning, or maybe even also a:
> >> 
> >>   guix package -i foo --only-reproducible
> >> 
> >> which could error?
> 
> Hmm or --only-traceable?
> 
> > If we decide to do something like that, we should decide if we want the
> > word 'reproducible' to mean bit-for-bit reproducibility.
> 
> The problem is that big binary blobs like GHC’s are necessarily
> bit-for-bit reproducible.  :-)

`wget https://blob` doesn't count as reproducible :)

Another useful word could be 'deterministic'.

> 
> Ludo’.

  reply	other threads:[~2016-03-26  0:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-03-21 17:54 Removing compilers that cannot be bootstrapped Thompson, David
2016-03-21 19:15 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2016-03-21 19:22   ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2016-03-21 19:32   ` Andreas Enge
2016-03-21 22:43 ` rain1
2016-03-22 16:23   ` Ludovic Courtès
2016-03-21 22:48 ` Ludovic Courtès
2016-03-22  9:56   ` Jookia
2016-03-22 16:25     ` Ludovic Courtès
2016-03-22 14:57   ` Eric Bavier
2016-03-22 16:22     ` Ludovic Courtès
2016-03-22 22:29   ` Christopher Allan Webber
2016-03-23 22:12     ` Ludovic Courtès
2016-03-23 22:49       ` Christopher Allan Webber
2016-03-24  3:11         ` Leo Famulari
2016-03-25 23:08           ` Ludovic Courtès
2016-03-26  0:22             ` Leo Famulari [this message]
2016-03-26  6:40               ` Chris Marusich
2016-03-26  6:55                 ` Chris Marusich
2016-03-26  9:02                   ` Jookia
2016-03-26 14:05                   ` Alex Vong
2016-03-26  8:12                 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2016-03-26  9:23                   ` Jookia
2016-03-26 14:31                   ` Ludovic Courtès
2016-03-26 17:19                     ` Christopher Allan Webber
2016-03-26  6:51 ` John Darrington

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