From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Subject: [GSoC] Draft of my proposition Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 00:40:12 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_82461_1731696262.1458520812441" Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44448) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ahntN-0006ep-Pb for guix-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 20:40:22 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ahntJ-0003k5-OZ for guix-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 20:40:21 -0400 Received: from w1.tutanota.de ([81.3.6.162]:35802) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ahntJ-0003jn-9u for guix-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 20:40:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by w1.tutanota.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BF86FA82BB for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2016 00:40:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from w1.tutanota.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (w1.tutanota.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Xw4_F9Y8bL8m for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2016 00:40:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from w1.tutanota.de (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by w1.tutanota.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 704A3FA82FD for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2016 00:40:12 +0000 (UTC) List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: guix-devel@gnu.org ------=_Part_82461_1731696262.1458520812441 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_82462_143244524.1458520812441" ------=_Part_82462_143244524.1458520812441 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everyone! The admission for Google's Summer of Code have started and I want to spend the summer working on Guix. I have a proposition I hope you will find interesting! I have joined the draft to this e-mail. I would really like if you could point out the part where I don't explain myself very well, if some French syntax has slipped through or if there is something that should be added to meet GNU's guideline. Also I don't if any mentors are available for this project, and who I should talk to about that. Don't hesitate if you have any question. Thank you, Vincent Cloutier ------=_Part_82462_143244524.1458520812441 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everyone!

The admission for Google's Summer of Code have started and I want to spend the summer working on Guix. I have a proposition I hope you will find interesting! I have joined the draft to this e-mail.

I would really like if you could point out the part where I don't explain myself very well, if some French syntax has slipped through or if there is something that should be added to meet GNU's guideline.

Also I don't if any mentors are available for this project, and who I should talk to about that.

Don't hesitate if you have any question.
Thank you,

Vincent Cloutier
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21. Mar 2016 05:35 by ludo@gnu.org:

Hello!

<vincent@cloutier.co> skribis:
The admission for Google's Summer of Code have started and I want to spend
the summer working on Guix. I have a proposition I hope you will find
interesting! I have joined the draft to this e-mail.

Preliminary question: could you resend it as plain text or Org-mode to
simply the life of people on this list?

Of course! I added a plain text version to this email.

Vincent Cloutier

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Less than a = year ago I discovered IPFS, a project that takes the best ideas from BitTor= rent and Git to create a simple and elegant protocol.=20 IPFS allows one to find who has a piece of content and is ready to share it= , when knowing only the content=E2=80=99s hash. Content is added in a repro= ducible manner and deduplication can be added via Merkle trees. IPFS is als= o content-agnostic, one could serve Guix=E2=80=99s programs without even ru= nning Guix. It would also be possible to share text or video documentation = using IPFS.=20 This could allow the community to chip in to Guix success more easily. Publ= ishing the content of one=E2=80=99s store for anyone to download will be po= ssible. Looking at GNU/Linux distributions=E2=80=99 torrents, everyone seed= s to help the community. It is very likely people will want to do the same = for Guix.=20 This adds no restriction on how a chain of trusts of key contributor to the= project can be built. When a way of building consensus on a package=E2=80= =99s hash (maybe via an Ethereum smart contract) will be build, everything = will be in place for a serverless and fully auditable OS.=20 What I will do before the summer There is currently a free implementation of the IPFS protocol written in go= and another one in Javascript underway. I will package them for Guix and a= dd them to the repository. This will be a great way to familiarize myself w= ith the codebase.=20 Lisp looks interesting having done some Haskell. I will make sure I am comf= ortable with it. What I will do during the first half of the summer I will add the option to fetch content via IPFS instead of via HTTP. Guix w= ill spawn an IPFS daemon and run it in a container. I will build it in a wa= y that it will not be a hard dependency, as it is preferable in some cases = to use a client-server architecture, and the code I will write will handle = without problems the absence of an IPFS client. I will also make sure this = can run with any of IPFS free implementation. What I will do during the second half of the summer=20 I will made the publish command also spawn an IPFS daemon and publish every= thing available in the store. I will also be there if the Hydra build farm = runs into any problem with this new code. There will be a option to turn it= off at any time, and statitstics will be made available, ex: how much band= width has been used, what are the most requested packages, etc.=20 I will look into making the data storage efficient by making the IPFS daemo= n not copy everything in its own data store.=20 Stretch goals If everything goes better than expected and everything works beautifully be= fore the end of the summer, I have the following stretch goals in mind:=20 A GPL=E2=80=99ed IPFS implementation in Lisp Packaging more free software for Guix Who I am=20 My name is Vincent Cloutier and I am a french speaking developper in Qu=C3= =A9bec. I am currently in c=C3=A9gep (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CEGEP).= =20 I started programming when I was very young. My father started showing me s= ome python when I was 8, and I have not stopped programming since. I worked= in python for a few years - I was fascinated by infinite loops until I was= 9 - then I switched to Perl for a while (where I tried to make chatbots), = and then to PHP that I continue to use to this day. I also do haskell compe= titions for fun here (https://www.codingame.com/profile/8ee4bb16e866d398775= fa5bc545e426e2789121), though I am not good at it yet. I already contribute to free software. I made ipfs.pics with a friend. It i= s a picture sharing website that uses the P2P IPFS technology. I did a juni= or job on Owncloud two years ago (https://github.com/owncloud/core/pull/110= 29) to see what a big open source project looked like. 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<87h9g09nrr.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:53275) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aic6q-0005Rq-Uc for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Mar 2016 02:17:38 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aic6n-00076n-L2 for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Mar 2016 02:17:36 -0400 Received: from mail-pf0-x231.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400e:c00::231]:36653) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aic6n-00076i-9b for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Mar 2016 02:17:33 -0400 Received: by mail-pf0-x231.google.com with SMTP id u190so11625268pfb.3 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2016 23:17:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: (vincent@cloutier.co's message of "Mon, 21 Mar 2016 22:19:09 +0000 (GMT)") List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: vincent@cloutier.co Cc: Guix Devel --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable writes: > Since Guix users know in advance the hash of the data they want, > downloading from peers has no security implications (and privacy can > be done trough proxies). How will trust work in the IPFS world? I think maybe you touch on this when you later mention "building consensus on a package=E2=80=99s hash", bu= t it wasn't entirely clear to me. My understanding is that because Guix uses a cryptographic hash function, it's true that if you have some data, you know the expected hash value of that data, and the computed hash value of the data matches the expected hash value, then you can be confident that the data hasn't been corrupted or tampered with. However, how do you know the expected hash value was correct to begin with? How can you trust it? Currently, I believe that Guix handles trust by refusing to use substitutes that are not signed by a trusted key. The substitutes built and vended by hydra.gnu.org are signed with Hydra's key, and users of Guix must trust Hydra's key in order to use Hydra's substitutes. > I have a fascination for peer-to-peer tech and I am constantly looking > for the innovative new tech in this area (Bitcoin, Ethereum, > etc). Less than a year ago I discovered IPFS, a project that takes the > best ideas from BitTorrent and Git to create a simple and elegant > protocol. > > IPFS allows one to find who has a piece of content and is ready to > share it, when knowing only the content=E2=80=99s hash. Content is added = in a > reproducible manner and deduplication can be added via Merkle > trees. IPFS is also content-agnostic, one could serve Guix=E2=80=99s prog= rams > without even running Guix. It would also be possible to share text or > video documentation using IPFS. This is a very compelling idea! Thank you for sharing it; IPFS is new to me, and it looks intriguing. I understand that in the past, R=C3=A9mi Birot-Delrue did some work on a similar project to enable publication of packages over GNUnet: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2015-05/msg00022.html Although progress was made, I don't think the project to publish packages over GNUnet was fully completed. This seems to be the last email thread from R=C3=A9mi: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2015-08/msg00455.html Have you considered picking up where R=C3=A9mi left off? Even if you choose not to use GNUnet instead of IPFS, perhaps R=C3=A9mi's prior work can help you as you work on your project. > A couple of years ago I realized that every tool I had learn and > everything that I tinkered with was free and open source > software. Almost everything I achieved with computers was because of > people who shared their knowledge and technologies and I want to > contribute back. That's fantastic! Thank you for stepping up and helping. =2D-=20 Chris --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJW8jT4AAoJEN1AmhXYIkad1vYQAJfTRijvQyw7h/co9Q3PYGe/ AAdPuRkQff3iC/5XKKM6QyUgTx4DqHJmXQZIkEXiRzEZN2slsnWRa9jx7fxlKpZW Oi1lCml261vCPqaEq/9AIEDsp2Gx0so56hdAJcnFkNm9BMob9zM0c7xiLywBp1pu KCeT6HpL0PVbOsMqsZb2RL1kMq6Jhd8Sg4Aw0iz0jxGoLjuBmGREZTEh9BQCnVa1 oBP+rJicTe0SUMsFebWj1C+VfwC5El5UiaHtMgxrmpx0Fv6UcHWBZlLTNQMinwuY hFm90IIQ9guNv49+eJrNaK/3fFdW49HN/bCvx/4jVF+iMkPfqRTV+305CmVbgCl4 OFp9G1ayj7UjtMz+Eb05LZaOyKBq1VJ6sHCqiQcn354CTgfrmZ3rfGzv3crgSE2s muezF6hB8ufbuevcet2fYfGLtdpiu2IfmvQPkBKgpvZfu48Esy30YVvclsEItDQR b2kMPCW5r8Na8silqiy9QTlbamfTP7y2qRzQrYjifCFlJ9PXQAav8u3blotYltbP jibSoUYDuu0GzexDtPJ2SHSk4nNHz0DbfCpitz1qq0BMExLYv+lK2EKPaQaq5yJg lLzU6auvt38MLdQ/YA3jWsIwGuEF/N2I3n6mu5/sekCrHQIt9Nxc/iYi26p04Rll CkTC9W9zR13UUQaGymX1 =c0AG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: =?utf-8?Q?R=C3=A9mi?= Birot-Delrue Subject: Re: [GSoC] Draft of my proposition Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2016 21:33:25 +0100 Message-ID: <87fuvhq6i9.fsf@free.fr> References: <87h9g09nrr.fsf@gnu.org> <87fuvhvhu2.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51188) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aipc3-0001mG-SZ for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Mar 2016 16:42:44 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aipby-0000R4-ST for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Mar 2016 16:42:43 -0400 Received: from smtp5-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.5]:37365) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aipby-0000Qv-Kq for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Mar 2016 16:42:38 -0400 In-reply-to: <87fuvhvhu2.fsf@gmail.com> List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: vincent@cloutier.co, Guix Devel Hello! > Have you considered picking up where R=C3=A9mi left off? Even if you c= hoose > not to use GNUnet instead of IPFS, perhaps R=C3=A9mi's prior work can h= elp > you as you work on your project. Our work last summer around sharing packages through a P2P network was tied to GNUnet=E2=80=99s architecture, but surely adaptable to any other = system: as described last year on this mailing list, one would publish packages under a specific identity (=3D gpg key couple) and anyone, given the identity=E2=80=99s public key, would be able to fetch the shared packages= . It goes well with Guix because everything is gpg signed, is it similar in IPFS? GNUnet and IPFS seem to share some concepts (immutability, peer identity/namespace) but IPFS is less mature: for instance, there=E2=80=99= s a priori no way to search a file. You might hit the same difficulties I=E2=80= =99ve encountred: unstable API, bugs, inaccurate or inexisting documentation. Anyway, IPFS=E2=80=99s hyperlinked nature could be great t= o handle multiple versions of a package. Work on this matter can only enrich our/my comprehension of the subject, please feel free to contact me for any question :) --=20 R=C3=A9mi From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Jookia <166291@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [GSoC] Draft of my proposition Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2016 08:29:24 +1100 Message-ID: <20160323212924.GA15238@novena-choice-citizen.lan> References: <87h9g09nrr.fsf@gnu.org> <87fuvhvhu2.fsf@gmail.com> <87fuvhq6i9.fsf@free.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36017) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <166291@gmail.com>) id 1aiqQP-0003WE-FB for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Mar 2016 17:34:46 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <166291@gmail.com>) id 1aiqQL-00049Q-Dd for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Mar 2016 17:34:45 -0400 Received: from mail-lf0-x232.google.com ([2a00:1450:4010:c07::232]:36511) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <166291@gmail.com>) id 1aiqQL-00049C-6Z for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Mar 2016 17:34:41 -0400 Received: by mail-lf0-x232.google.com with SMTP id d82so21051111lfe.3 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2016 14:34:39 -0700 (PDT) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87fuvhq6i9.fsf@free.fr> List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=E9mi?= Birot-Delrue Cc: Guix Devel On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 09:33:25PM +0100, Rémi Birot-Delrue wrote: > GNUnet and IPFS seem to share some concepts (immutability, peer > identity/namespace) but IPFS is less mature: for instance, there’s a > priori no way to search a file. You might hit the same difficulties I’ve > encountred: unstable API, bugs, inaccurate or inexisting > documentation. Anyway, IPFS’s hyperlinked nature could be great to > handle multiple versions of a package. Another issue with IPFS is that it's not anonymous. I've spent a few times trying to get it to work with Tor but it absolutely hates proxies, and putting strain on the Tor network like that is generally a bad idea. With such a system like this, people, organizations or companies using Guix could have their Guix version (thus all of the packages, patches, etc) found by analyzing a few substitutes being fetched over the network, much worse than traditional distros. > Work on this matter can only enrich our/my comprehension of the subject, > please feel free to contact me for any question :) > -- > Rémi Jookia. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Subject: Re: [GSoC] Draft of my proposition Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2016 22:37:27 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: References: < (vincent@cloutier.co's message of "Mon, 21 Mar 2016 00:40:12 +0000 (GMT)")> <87h9g09nrr.fsf@gnu.org> < (vincent@cloutier.co's message of "Mon, 21 Mar 2016 22:19:09 +0000 (GMT)")> <87fuvhvhu2.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_29510_775579293.1458772647036" Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50082) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1airPF-0002Hg-56 for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Mar 2016 18:37:38 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1airPB-0002aM-O6 for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Mar 2016 18:37:37 -0400 Received: from w1.tutanota.de ([81.3.6.162]:51950) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1airPB-0002Zh-E4 for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Mar 2016 18:37:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by w1.tutanota.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3918FA82C0 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2016 22:37:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from w1.tutanota.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (w1.tutanota.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CvYSTYKlNV_s for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2016 22:37:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from w1.tutanota.de (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by w1.tutanota.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CB49FA82FC for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2016 22:37:27 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <87fuvhvhu2.fsf@gmail.com> List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Guix Devel ------=_Part_29510_775579293.1458772647036 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 23. Mar 2016 02:17 by cmmarusich@gmail.com: > <> vincent@cloutier.co> > writes: > >> Since Guix users know in advance the hash of the data they want, >> downloading from peers has no security implications (and privacy can >> be done trough proxies). > > How will trust work in the IPFS world? I think maybe you touch on this > when you later mention "building consensus on a package=E2=80=99s hash", = but it > wasn't entirely clear to me. IPFS checks the integrity of the content you download and that's it. You ha= ve=20 to validate in other ways that the content you want has effectively a given= =20 hash. I think it's a very big advantage, because it totally uncouples the p2p=20 sharing from the trust system. Users do not have to agree to be on the same= =20 security scheme. One could configure his system in a way that it will only= =20 download content signed by, let's say the FSF and the EFF, and another user= =20 downloads only when signed by his employers. Both those users will be able = to=20 share the same data with one another, because the data is separated from th= e=20 signature. That's what I meant by "building consensus on a package=E2=80=99s hash", be= cause the=20 community will be able to innovate to build a trust system. :) =C2=A0 > My understanding is that because Guix uses a cryptographic hash > function, it's true that if you have some data, you know the expected > hash value of that data, and the computed hash value of the data matches > the expected hash value, then you can be confident that the data hasn't > been corrupted or tampered with. However, how do you know the expected > hash value was correct to begin with? How can you trust it? =C2=A0 IPFS does not aim to solve the last part.=C2=A0 > Currently, I believe that Guix handles trust by refusing to use > substitutes that are not signed by a trusted key. The substitutes built > and vended by hydra.gnu.org are signed with Hydra's key, and users of > Guix must trust Hydra's key in order to use Hydra's substitutes. Users who trust Hydra will be able do download substitutes from one another= ,=20 if the package is signed by Hydra. This should come as a relief to hydra's= =20 servers! :) I could also add that a package must be signed by the all the user's truste= d=20 substitutes before downloading. >> I have a fascination for peer-to-peer tech and I am constantly looking >> for the innovative new tech in this area (Bitcoin, Ethereum, >> etc). Less than a year ago I discovered IPFS, a project that takes the >> best ideas from BitTorrent and Git to create a simple and elegant >> protocol. >> >> IPFS allows one to find who has a piece of content and is ready to >> share it, when knowing only the content=E2=80=99s hash. Content is added= in a >> reproducible manner and deduplication can be added via Merkle >> trees. IPFS is also content-agnostic, one could serve Guix=E2=80=99s pro= grams >> without even running Guix. It would also be possible to share text or >> video documentation using IPFS. > > This is a very compelling idea! Thank you for sharing it; IPFS is new > to me, and it looks intriguing. I understand that in the past, R=C3=A9mi > Birot-Delrue did some work on a similar project to enable publication of > packages over GNUnet: > > https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2015-05/msg00022.html > > Although progress was made, I don't think the project to publish > packages over GNUnet was fully completed. This seems to be the last > email thread from R=C3=A9mi: > > https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2015-08/msg00455.html > > Have you considered picking up where R=C3=A9mi left off? Even if you cho= ose > not to use GNUnet instead of IPFS, perhaps R=C3=A9mi's prior work can hel= p > you as you work on your project. I think IPFS simpler and more stable API is a must. But I will definitely b= e=20 looking into reusing parts of his code, either for IPFS or making it usable= =20 for both. I could be an interesting stretch goal. >> A couple of years ago I realized that every tool I had learn and >> everything that I tinkered with was free and open source >> software. Almost everything I achieved with computers was because of >> people who shared their knowledge and technologies and I want to >> contribute back. > > That's fantastic! Thank you for stepping up and helping. Thanks to you for making it possible :) - Vincent ------=_Part_29510_775579293.1458772647036 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

23. Mar 2016 02:17 by cmmarusich@gmail.com:

<vincent@cloutier.co> writes:
Since Gui= x users know in advance the hash of the data they want,
downloading fr= om peers has no security implications (and privacy can
be done trough = proxies).

How will trust work in the IPFS world? I think= maybe you touch on this
when you later mention "building consens= us on a package=E2=80=99s hash", but it
wasn't entirely clear to = me.

IPFS checks the integrity of the content yo= u download and that's it. You have to validate in other ways that the conte= nt you want has effectively a given hash.

I think= it's a very big advantage, because it totally uncouples the p2p sharing fr= om the trust system. Users do not have to agree to be on the same security = scheme. One could configure his system in a way that it will only download = content signed by, let's say the FSF and the EFF, and another user download= s only when signed by his employers. Both those users will be able to share= the same data with one another, because the data is separated from the sig= nature.

That's what I meant by "building con= sensus on a package=E2=80=99s hash", because the community will be abl= e to innovate to build a trust system. :)

My understanding is that because Guix = uses a cryptographic hash
function, it's true that if you have some da= ta, you know the expected
hash value of that data, and the computed ha= sh value of the data matches
the expected hash value, then you can be = confident that the data hasn't
been corrupted or tampered with. Howev= er, how do you know the expected
hash value was correct to begin with?= How can you trust it?

IPFS does not aim to s= olve the last part.

Currently, I believe that Guix handles trust by refusing to= use
substitutes that are not signed by a trusted key. The substitute= s built
and vended by hydra.gnu.org are signed with Hydra's key, and u= sers of
Guix must trust Hydra's key in order to use Hydra's substitute= s.

Users who trust Hydra will be able do downlo= ad substitutes from one another, if the package is signed by Hydra. This sh= ould come as a relief to hydra's servers! :)

I could als= o add that a package must be signed by the all the user's trusted substitut= es before downloading.

I have a fascination for peer-to-peer tech and I = am constantly looking
for the innovative new tech in this area (Bitcoi= n, Ethereum,
etc). Less than a year ago I discovered IPFS, a project t= hat takes the
best ideas from BitTorrent and Git to create a simple an= d elegant
protocol.

IPFS allows one to find who has a piece= of content and is ready to
share it, when knowing only the content=E2= =80=99s hash. Content is added in a
reproducible manner and deduplicat= ion can be added via Merkle
trees. IPFS is also content-agnostic, one = could serve Guix=E2=80=99s programs
without even running Guix. It woul= d also be possible to share text or
video documentation using IPFS.
This is a very compelling idea! Thank you for sharing it; = IPFS is new
to me, and it looks intriguing. I understand that in the = past, Rémi
Birot-Delrue did some work on a similar project to e= nable publication of
packages over GNUnet:

https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2015-05/msg00022.html<= /a>

Although progress was made, I don't think the project to pub= lish
packages over GNUnet was fully completed. This seems to be the l= ast
email thread from Rémi:

h= ttps://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2015-08/msg00455.html

Have you considered picking up where Rémi left off? Even if = you choose
not to use GNUnet instead of IPFS, perhaps Rémi's pr= ior work can help
you as you work on your project.

I think IPFS simpler and more stable API is a must. But I will def= initely be looking into reusing parts of his code, either for IPFS or makin= g it usable for both. I could be an interesting stretch goal.
<= br />
A couple of = years ago I realized that every tool I had learn and
everything that I= tinkered with was free and open source
software. Almost everything I = achieved with computers was because of
people who shared their knowled= ge and technologies and I want to
contribute back.

T= hat's fantastic! Thank you for stepping up and helping.
Thanks to you for making it possible :)

- Vincent
------=_Part_29510_775579293.1458772647036-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Subject: Re: [GSoC] Draft of my proposition Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2016 22:45:05 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: References: < (vincent@cloutier.co's message of "Mon, 21 Mar 2016 00:40:12 +0000 (GMT)")> <87h9g09nrr.fsf@gnu.org> < (vincent@cloutier.co's message of "Mon, 21 Mar 2016 22:19:09 +0000 (GMT)")> <87fuvhvhu2.fsf@gmail.com> <<87fuvhvhu2.fsf@gmail.com>> <87fuvhq6i9.fsf@free.fr> <<87fuvhq6i9.fsf@free.fr>> <20160323212924.GA15238@novena-choice-citizen.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_29566_272526965.1458773105261" Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51351) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1airWZ-0003Sc-Ev for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Mar 2016 18:45:12 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1airWW-0003rE-44 for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Mar 2016 18:45:11 -0400 Received: from w1.tutanota.de ([81.3.6.162]:60793) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1airWV-0003qo-Ql for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Mar 2016 18:45:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by w1.tutanota.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CE02FA82F9 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2016 22:45:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from w1.tutanota.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (w1.tutanota.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7udJ6sloW439 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2016 22:45:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from w1.tutanota.de (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by w1.tutanota.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 419B4FA830C for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2016 22:45:05 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <20160323212924.GA15238@novena-choice-citizen.lan> List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Guix Devel ------=_Part_29566_272526965.1458773105261 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 23. Mar 2016 17:29 by 166291@gmail.com: > On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 09:33:25PM +0100, R=C3=A9mi Birot-Delrue wrote: >> GNUnet and IPFS seem to share some concepts (immutability, peer >> identity/namespace) but IPFS is less mature: for instance, there=E2=80= =99s a >> priori no way to search a file. You might hit the same difficulties I=E2= =80=99ve >> encountred: unstable API, bugs, inaccurate or inexisting >> documentation. Anyway, IPFS=E2=80=99s hyperlinked nature could be great = to >> handle multiple versions of a package. > > Another issue with IPFS is that it's not anonymous. I've spent a few time= s > trying to get it to work with Tor but it absolutely hates proxies, and=20 > putting > strain on the Tor network like that is generally a bad idea. I want to add IPFS as an option, not as the only way to download stuff. It= =20 might be better for privacy-conscious people to use http over Tor.=C2=A0 > With such a system > like this, people, organizations or companies using Guix could have their= =20 > Guix > version (thus all of the packages, patches, etc) found by analyzing a few > substitutes being fetched over the network, much worse than traditional= =20 > distros. > A company or any large install could run IPFS/Guix in a LAN, with a build= =20 server, which would bring *huge* performance gains while being private. ------=_Part_29566_272526965.1458773105261 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

23. Mar 2016 17:29 by 166291@gmail.com:

On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 09:33:25PM +0100, Rémi Bi= rot-Delrue wrote:
GNUnet and IPFS seem to share some concepts (i= mmutability, peer
identity/namespace) but IPFS is less mature: for ins= tance, there=E2=80=99s a
priori no way to search a file. You might hit= the same difficulties I=E2=80=99ve
encountred: unstable API, bugs, in= accurate or inexisting
documentation. Anyway, IPFS=E2=80=99s hyperlink= ed nature could be great to
handle multiple versions of a package.
Another issue with IPFS is that it's not anonymous. I've spe= nt a few times
trying to get it to work with Tor but it absolutely hat= es proxies, and putting
strain on the Tor network like that is general= ly a bad idea.

I want to add IPFS as an option= , not as the only way to download stuff. It=20 might be better for privacy-conscious people to use http over Tor.

With such a = system
like this, people, organizations or companies using Guix could = have their Guix
version (thus all of the packages, patches, etc) found= by analyzing a few
substitutes being fetched over the network, much w= orse than traditional distros.

A company = or any large install could run IPFS/Guix in a LAN, with a build server, whi= ch would bring *huge* performance gains while being private.
------=_Part_29566_272526965.1458773105261-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Jookia <166291@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [GSoC] Draft of my proposition Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2016 10:11:53 +1100 Message-ID: <20160323231153.GA16753@novena-choice-citizen.lan> References: <87h9g09nrr.fsf@gnu.org> <87fuvhvhu2.fsf@gmail.com> <87fuvhvhu2.fsf@gmail.com> <87fuvhq6i9.fsf@free.fr> <87fuvhq6i9.fsf@free.fr> <20160323212924.GA15238@novena-choice-citizen.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:57141) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <166291@gmail.com>) id 1airzM-0002rr-UY for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Mar 2016 19:14:57 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <166291@gmail.com>) id 1airzI-0002hc-Gn for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Mar 2016 19:14:56 -0400 Received: from mail-wm0-x234.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c09::234]:36767) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <166291@gmail.com>) id 1airzI-0002hW-9X for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Mar 2016 19:14:52 -0400 Received: by mail-wm0-x234.google.com with SMTP id r129so155995009wmr.1 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2016 16:14:52 -0700 (PDT) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: vincent@cloutier.co Cc: Guix Devel On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 10:45:05PM +0000, vincent@cloutier.co wrote: > I want to add IPFS as an option, not as the only way to download stuff. It > might be better for privacy-conscious people to use http over Tor.� Perhaps, though I think it's worth thinking about if this issue is solvable for now. If an IPFS implementation is widely used and solves a lot of load issues, I can see it becoming the most commonly used option with tools relying on this functionality, especially for people running their own build servers and only using IPFS. Once in to the situation that a tool works for most people and it becomes a defacto standard it's very hard to get people to use other tools, especially if it would mean we'd end up running three networks: HTTP, IPFS and whatever p2p option there is that both Tor users and non-Tor users can use. > A company or any large install could run IPFS/Guix in a LAN, with a build > server, which would bring *huge* performance gains while being private. Why would they need IPFS in LAN if they have a build server? Jookia. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Efraim Flashner Subject: Re: [GSoC] Draft of my proposition Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2016 09:32:21 +0200 Message-ID: <20160324073221.GA16131@debian-netbook> References: <87h9g09nrr.fsf@gnu.org> <87fuvhvhu2.fsf@gmail.com> <87fuvhvhu2.fsf@gmail.com> <87fuvhq6i9.fsf@free.fr> <87fuvhq6i9.fsf@free.fr> <20160323212924.GA15238@novena-choice-citizen.lan> <20160323231153.GA16753@novena-choice-citizen.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="WIyZ46R2i8wDzkSu" Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39836) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aizks-0001Eh-I3 for guix-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Mar 2016 03:32:31 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aizkn-00056O-Ie for guix-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Mar 2016 03:32:30 -0400 Received: from flashner.co.il ([178.62.234.194]:59140) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aizkn-00056K-Br for guix-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Mar 2016 03:32:25 -0400 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20160323231153.GA16753@novena-choice-citizen.lan> List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Jookia <166291@gmail.com> Cc: Guix Devel --WIyZ46R2i8wDzkSu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 10:11:53AM +1100, Jookia wrote: > On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 10:45:05PM +0000, vincent@cloutier.co wrote: > > I want to add IPFS as an option, not as the only way to download stuff.= It > > might be better for privacy-conscious people to use http over Tor.=C2=A0 >=20 > Perhaps, though I think it's worth thinking about if this issue is solvab= le for > now. If an IPFS implementation is widely used and solves a lot of load is= sues, I > can see it becoming the most commonly used option with tools relying on t= his > functionality, especially for people running their own build servers and = only > using IPFS. Once in to the situation that a tool works for most people an= d it > becomes a defacto standard it's very hard to get people to use other tool= s, > especially if it would mean we'd end up running three networks: HTTP, IPF= S and > whatever p2p option there is that both Tor users and non-Tor users can us= e. >=20 > > A company or any large install could run IPFS/Guix in a LAN, with a bui= ld > > server, which would bring *huge* performance gains while being private. >=20 > Why would they need IPFS in LAN if they have a build server? >=20 > Jookia. They could have one machine in front as a build/cache server that the other machines connect to --=20 Efraim Flashner =D7=90=D7=A4=D7=A8=D7=99=D7=9D = =D7=A4=D7=9C=D7=A9=D7=A0=D7=A8 GPG key =3D A28B F40C 3E55 1372 662D 14F7 41AA E7DC CA3D 8351 Confidentiality cannot be guaranteed on emails sent or received unencrypted --WIyZ46R2i8wDzkSu Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJW85gFAAoJEPTB05F+rO6Trz8P/ireABoZqlfinhPFGCiQXoQO mDiwpuNNzVyNBmM0ugWgp3AgPxX+sS035ROSmSRBXuA5yjMDRZVr8bJqt1ib++1+ McRf8MVTTkEvhQPc97y43R9LIPiXp3BqKSkFaSBgCNJ2gcbkxhz16T1M4Sy6z6Tp r8/wOBGKJ4xxkiQpXReGBaArBrhZmT2Lal7o2m/Lu6S7kFqng0gstorN9/mER0gd CKzONOUWz/teooncyaOsa4LzOMJ+UWjVdyE0ITPNGKmqMm9vg1g+S5SPSwIf5GM1 yKB/PeEcefWkOgwcxbX0iT5LOW+o4KsVV8MRhGCYwWD3S1P/6BuC5Jx7bUzy5DiJ Jtok6HDi6IhgZJKIC8PS4NRt1PkQsmcTKZu7S7/Ed6KUsG9KvsYWbKrYCcYypBaj pz8nqJ6rT276WhrpE94sqr1VCkm12IqkTrPdY39tuyAD7yzohguGtVK5FWFH81JZ NznoDLzVVKgrklIcqcXuie2bpHmrCOwimM2AS/IQmIWgp3aAHDOBQSZ84NnvKb+B sfyioQHFEnnG/BVACNdKZRPkLPeBYui+5Jp7/Cum3e6gEc+yz9Fdv8xGWqdgpm+I e9MJHPVhyTM5bQ8ELuVC+vNX+XBj9HZCgJBET/BuBi4aXqVvxc4Rp0e0Dn+slMo9 sqq8Ovexyhic2jOk+kvM =Ez4Z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --WIyZ46R2i8wDzkSu-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?=) Subject: Re: [GSoC] Draft of my proposition Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2016 14:24:03 +0100 Message-ID: <87k2kqofm4.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87h9g09nrr.fsf@gnu.org> <87fuvhvhu2.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34251) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ajRil-0005fP-4U for guix-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Mar 2016 09:24:12 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ajRih-0005bT-UI for guix-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Mar 2016 09:24:11 -0400 In-Reply-To: (vincent@cloutier.co's message of "Wed, 23 Mar 2016 22:37:27 +0000 (GMT)") List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: vincent@cloutier.co Cc: Guix Devel Salut Vincent, skribis: > 23. Mar 2016 02:17 by cmmarusich@gmail.com: [...] >> This is a very compelling idea! Thank you for sharing it; IPFS is new >> to me, and it looks intriguing. I understand that in the past, R=C3=A9mi >> Birot-Delrue did some work on a similar project to enable publication of >> packages over GNUnet: >> >> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2015-05/msg00022.html >> >> Although progress was made, I don't think the project to publish >> packages over GNUnet was fully completed. This seems to be the last >> email thread from R=C3=A9mi: >> >> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2015-08/msg00455.html >> >> Have you considered picking up where R=C3=A9mi left off? Even if you ch= oose >> not to use GNUnet instead of IPFS, perhaps R=C3=A9mi's prior work can he= lp >> you as you work on your project. > > > > > I think IPFS simpler and more stable API is a must. I=E2=80=99m not completely sure and, as Jookia pointed out, the two projects share different goals, with GNUnet allowing for anonymous communications. > But I will definitely be looking into reusing parts of his code, > either for IPFS or making it usable for both. I could be an > interesting stretch goal. I don=E2=80=99t think there=E2=80=99d be much code to reuse. However, past design discussions should probably be taken into account, because some of the questions we had about how to store things, or how to reuse the code and protocols of the existing =E2=80=98guix publish=E2=80= =99 and =E2=80=98guix substitute=E2=80=99 tools is definitely needed. WDYT? Thanks, Ludo=E2=80=99. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?=) Subject: Re: [GSoC] Draft of my proposition Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2016 14:28:20 +0100 Message-ID: <87d1qiofez.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87h9g09nrr.fsf@gnu.org> <87fuvhvhu2.fsf@gmail.com> <87fuvhq6i9.fsf@free.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34945) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ajRms-0006qE-BA for guix-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Mar 2016 09:28:27 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ajRmp-0006DE-2y for guix-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Mar 2016 09:28:26 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87fuvhq6i9.fsf@free.fr> (=?utf-8?Q?=22R=C3=A9mi?= Birot-Delrue"'s message of "Wed, 23 Mar 2016 21:33:25 +0100") List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: =?utf-8?Q?R=C3=A9mi?= Birot-Delrue Cc: Guix Devel Hi R=C3=A9mi, Long time no see! :-) How do you view the project you worked on, in hindsight? Would you pick it up and complete it? Cheers, Ludo=E2=80=99. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Frederick Muriithi Subject: Re: [GSoC] Draft of my proposition Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 13:06:33 +0300 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51077) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1djjbp-0003b4-9u for guix-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 06:07:02 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1djjbl-0004av-Gv for guix-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 06:07:01 -0400 Received: from mail-lf0-x233.google.com ([2a00:1450:4010:c07::233]:33683) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1djjbl-0004ZW-9F for guix-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 06:06:57 -0400 Received: by mail-lf0-x233.google.com with SMTP id d17so64700555lfe.0 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 03:06:55 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: guix-devel@gnu.org I am currently looking into IPFS for Guix, and found this thread. I would appreciate anyone pointing me to the work that was done, so that I might figure out what is needed to continue ir. For now, my main focus is to get an IPFS package defined for Guix, that users could use to install IPFS on their machines. -- Frederick M. Muriithi From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Ricardo Wurmus Subject: Re: [GSoC] Draft of my proposition Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 13:19:42 +0200 Message-ID: <87lgmdw4kx.fsf@elephly.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41019) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1djkkP-0000hT-AH for guix-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 07:19:58 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1djkkH-0001zq-Re for guix-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 07:19:53 -0400 Received: from sender-of-o51.zoho.com ([135.84.80.216]:21039) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1djkkH-0001yz-LC for guix-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 07:19:49 -0400 In-reply-to: List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: Frederick Muriithi Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org Hi Fred, > I am currently looking into IPFS for Guix, and found this thread. I > would appreciate anyone pointing me to the work that was done, so that > I might figure out what is needed to continue ir. previous work focused on Gnunet. The project ended with initial Guile bindings for Gnunet, IIRC. There has been no work on IPFS. > For now, my main focus is to get an IPFS package defined for Guix, > that users could use to install IPFS on their machines. This seems like a good first step. A close second step could be to write a service definition for GuixSD. Thanks for working on this! -- Ricardo GPG: BCA6 89B6 3655 3801 C3C6 2150 197A 5888 235F ACAC https://elephly.net