From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Andreas Enge Subject: Re: Switching to ECMAscript Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 16:07:50 +0200 Message-ID: <20140401140750.GA4471@debian> References: <87k3b9l6xs.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49809) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WUzMN-0005am-EX for guix-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Apr 2014 10:08:22 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WUzMF-0007h5-U5 for guix-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Apr 2014 10:08:15 -0400 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87k3b9l6xs.fsf@gnu.org> List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Ludovic =?iso-8859-15?Q?Court=E8s?= Cc: guix-devel Hello, this is quite outrageous, and if you decide to follow this road, I am certain to quit the project, and maybe even fork it. I agree that the choice of using Scheme/Guile was maybe made in a hurry and prematurely. Scheme dialects seem to follow the paradigm "one language, one programmer" - at the Chaos Communication Congress, I did not meet two people at the Lisp table programming in the same dialect! With our number of contri- butors, we have already quite transgressed on this rule. Also, the functional paradigm is a bit dated. Admittedly, we have package "objects", inheriting from others, but this feels a bit like an add-on to modernise the language. However, there are much more reasonable choices than Ecmascript, with its quirky object model, and whose functional features imply that maybe we would not completely get rid of the past. Personally, I think we should switch to Python. Among my teaching colleagues, this is now the language of choice - just about everybody uses it! So I think that on the way to world domination, which we should strive for, this will give us lots of opportunity (and set a positive precedent in the GNU project, which could also use such a modernising boost). Personally, getting a grasp on Python would be very helpful for me and serve as an introduction to Sage, the major free mathematics software regrouping more or less all such free software under one umbrella. Python is a modern programming language, and I think that also from an equal opportunity point of view it would be a good choice: While Lisp is a left- over from a time where computer science was essentially at the reach of white males in the developed world, a switch could be seen as a step towards a more inclusive environment (notice, for instance, that the OLPC Sugar environment is written in Python). It is unfortunate that also Nix prepares a switch to Ecmascript; while I consider it a positive sign that they envision an alternative language, maybe there is still the possibility of convincing them of the merits of Python; we might even join forces and form one community. What do you think? Andreas