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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -4.59 X-Spam-Score: -4.59 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 3F65C4503E X-Migadu-Scanner: mx2.migadu.com X-TUID: wYjVT8j5QwMd On 9/20/23 17:03, Ricardo Wurmus wrote: > MSavoritias writes: > >> On 9/20/23 11:45, Nguyễn Gia Phong via Development of GNU Guix and the >> GNU System distribution. wrote: >>> On 2023-09-20 at 10:21+02:00, Csepp wrote: >>>> It's better if we have at least one *well documented* developer setup, >>>> than if we have a bunch of (sometimes conflicting) partial docs >>>> for setting up certain subsystems. >>>> >>>> Emacs can be pretty good, once you do (setq make-defaults-not-suck 1) >>>> a bunch of times. >>> Or even more outrageous, an overriden Emacs package >>> with all the good stuff for Guix development. >>> We already have guix shell that spawns a shell >>> and guix edit that spawns an editor, why no guix boot >>> that spawns an OS^W^W Emacs with appropriate defaults? >>> >>> Disclaimer: I use the devil editor that goes by the number >>> of VI VI VI, so take this suggestion with a grain of salt. >>> >> Can't the guile editor be that? >> >> It kind of tries to be already. We just need to promote it and dogfood >> it more. > Do you mean Guile Studio?[1] > > It was really only intended to be a pre-configured editor for new > Guilers, which is why it includes the picture language and Geiser with > picture display. > > But as I wrote there > > There are many more things that can be done to make Emacs less > confusing for people who use it just as a Guile IDE. I would be happy > to hear your suggestions or apply patches to improve Guile Studio! > > This is still true today. > > [1]: https://elephly.net/guile-studio/ > I did yeah. That's why i said we should promote it more to newcomers instead of plain Emacs. I think guile and guix are close that it could easily be a guix-IDE too. MSavoritias