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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org, Liliana Marie Prikler Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1645394504; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=U2KYQESDHFxPeuax/1J3gj/12BTsp0tsVZ0L92tFT20=; b=haDhs1M5OK3OoBEh4jGehzq4YYru0WimkLs/G8O02SWbroBKuPo0jTdTDEOOgynsRkFi1V mc8Ra4kpbp7dpOyrl1X3x299d3fdIOjCYCYSEPz3K+yHtDqdOIuGVnqNzVPRvTqfQPKWN9 k2STfh2bqCofQLEW85AJHlSou1Z72rkl0UQZJDXK3tupVEGDUoHD7950UWjLNDAmYNDGAj NdSfvNKN+zVAcnG7I8CKH1iKZo8Trc06S2eDDvZzW2l4yOu+6xQ57PinxQ+NgnO3CxgDeT FHMolofxoaNQrpO5qjK7SQZncC87xudFsSNcyVrrd6COo0aNr18yl6U4Gusj4w== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1645394504; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=KkujcriDANkLKCbMbl1dl24DwFJO62x5e0S5KiywWYSpULFYFNpCRpL+iU0DvoxND3tmQm 0Ck6IZOLyVHRT9gAVZDvz2o0uxURjvyvYrwz0YSS2XxMPQXO0y1bgv475rTK653/IXn0Dh QpPZQvcaxPT0pr7SgvZysTo6vjaZFC2rIzrZqXfQQh79GIrtAaGpK2oKJ4HrarsRIIOxex xKIugU4tGMxpRVeKNSUWNz7aBHLnRWEimfFD92u+KiBoZvhMMwOhc/OYXxp9J0R+UxFJli NVS/1CZ1N5uvwxnNfoCbwwDR2nQnXJwb+HneJY23c5c5XJDrO6NxNO9971P/Aw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=qFD84Hrv; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.03 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=qFD84Hrv; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: C7E023A7AC X-Spam-Score: -2.03 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: xX7uWK8hvFn1 On 20.02.2022 22:37, Thiago Jung Bauermann wrote: > > Taylan Kammer writes: > >> Just one remark for them: most women I know would think twice before >> spending time trying to get into a community whose rules intentionally >> don't acknowledge sex-based discrimination. > > Honest question, because (IIUC) this is the whole point of having a CoC: > > Do those women believe that “… harassment-free experience for everyone, > regardless of … gender identity and expression, … or sexual identity and > orientation.” would not cover any potential harassment that they could > be subjected to while participating in Guix’s community? If no characteristics were listed at all, it wouldn't matter, but if there's a long list yet 'sex' is explicitly excluded, that seems rather hostile, even if it doesn't mean that Guix maintainers would actually ignore harassment that happened on the grounds of someone's sex. Happy to talk more about this off-list. As it stands I'm rather embarrassed that this thread immediately blew up and wish I hadn't posted it at all now. -- Taylan