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To directly answer your question, in my opinion miners should not be conside= red malware in Guix.=20 Much as I don=E2=80=99t like the adverse climate impact of miners and crypto= , I think it is the thin end of the wedge of packages are restricted based o= n climate impact. I think we should stick to restrictions based on licence c= onditions. Of course, this is just a personal opinion, and has no more valid= ity than your opinion!! Best regards, Paul