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From: Matt <matt@excalamus.com>
To: "Matt" <matt@excalamus.com>
Cc: guix-devel <guix-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Creating subtitles for the Guix Days videos!
Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2022 22:44:18 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <17f48ba8a18.b9478d4d825167.6811016502534020490@excalamus.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <17f47c75ead.106c29a0f799863.1440152979823535619@excalamus.com>

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 ---- On Tue, 01 Mar 2022 18:18:42 -0500 Matt <matt@excalamus.com> wrote ----

 > I've started working on the "Dreaming of better patch review".  This is great steno practice!

Got to about the 9:21 mark. Putting my work so far here in case I get abducted by aliens before I can complete it.

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Dialogue: 0,0:04:39.00,0:04:41.00,Default,,0,0,0,,Not too bad.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:41.00,0:04:43.00,Default,,0,0,0,,And then third: 
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Dialogue: 0,0:04:47.00,0:04:49.00,Default,,0,0,0,,the real pain point and the
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Dialogue: 0,0:05:07.00,0:05:09.00,Default,,0,0,0,,And certainly a week is a good
Dialogue: 0,0:05:09.00,0:05:11.00,Default,,0,0,0,,time to shoot for. Anything
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Dialogue: 0,0:05:21.00,0:05:23.00,Default,,0,0,0,,So, if we give this
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Dialogue: 0,0:06:15.00,0:06:17.00,Default,,0,0,0,,patch is involving
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Dialogue: 0,0:06:43.00,0:06:45.00,Default,,0,0,0,,of time how long that package is going to take
Dialogue: 0,0:06:45.00,0:06:47.00,Default,,0,0,0,,to finish building. So,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:47.00,0:06:49.00,Default,,0,0,0,,you probably be
Dialogue: 0,0:06:49.00,0:06:51.00,Default,,0,0,0,,switching buffers frequently
Dialogue: 0,0:06:51.00,0:06:53.00,Default,,0,0,0,,and glancing back at that
Dialogue: 0,0:06:53.00,0:06:55.00,Default,,0,0,0,,task, even when you are
Dialogue: 0,0:06:55.00,0:06:57.00,Default,,0,0,0,,probably trying to do something else.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:57.00,0:06:59.00,Default,,0,0,0,,This is, of course, terrible for
Dialogue: 0,0:06:59.00,0:07:01.00,Default,,0,0,0,,productivity and really going to
Dialogue: 0,0:07:01.00,0:07:03.00,Default,,0,0,0,,kill your productivity.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:03.00,0:07:05.00,Default,,0,0,0,,Right.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:05.00,0:07:07.00,Default,,0,0,0,,So, something needs to be
Dialogue: 0,0:07:07.00,0:07:09.00,Default,,0,0,0,,done about that. And then finally,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:09.00,0:07:11.00,Default,,0,0,0,,reviewers want to
Dialogue: 0,0:07:11.00,0:07:13.00,Default,,0,0,0,,receive notifications only about
Dialogue: 0,0:07:13.00,0:07:15.00,Default,,0,0,0,,some specific subsystem that
Dialogue: 0,0:07:15.00,0:07:17.00,Default,,0,0,0,,they are interested in.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:17.00,0:07:19.00,Default,,0,0,0,,Nobody can keep up with all the information
Dialogue: 0,0:07:19.00,0:07:21.00,Default,,0,0,0,,coming through the mailing lists
Dialogue: 0,0:07:21.00,0:07:23.00,Default,,0,0,0,,and there should be some way to
Dialogue: 0,0:07:23.00,0:07:25.00,Default,,0,0,0,,subscribe to
Dialogue: 0,0:07:25.00,0:07:27.00,Default,,0,0,0,,only patches of the
Dialogue: 0,0:07:27.00,0:07:29.00,Default,,0,0,0,,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:29.00,0:07:31.00,Default,,0,0,0,,huge patch inflow.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:31.00,0:07:33.00,Default,,0,0,0,,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:33.00,0:07:35.00,Default,,0,0,0,,To make it
Dialogue: 0,0:07:35.00,0:07:37.00,Default,,0,0,0,,quick, easy, and make it trivial. That's kind
Dialogue: 0,0:07:37.00,0:07:39.00,Default,,0,0,0,,of the idea.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:39.00,0:07:41.00,Default,,0,0,0,,So,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:41.00,0:07:43.00,Default,,0,0,0,,the first thing is to make it easy
Dialogue: 0,0:07:43.00,0:07:45.00,Default,,0,0,0,,for contributors to produce
Dialogue: 0,0:07:45.00,0:07:47.00,Default,,0,0,0,,high quality patches.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:47.00,0:07:49.00,Default,,0,0,0,,So, there are many slipping
Dialogue: 0,0:07:49.00,0:07:51.00,Default,,0,0,0,,points for the
Dialogue: 0,0:07:51.00,0:07:53.00,Default,,0,0,0,,contributors.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:53.00,0:07:55.00,Default,,0,0,0,,And if they
Dialogue: 0,0:07:55.00,0:07:57.00,Default,,0,0,0,,can be made simpler,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:57.00,0:07:59.00,Default,,0,0,0,,and if contributors could produce
Dialogue: 0,0:07:59.00,0:08:01.00,Default,,0,0,0,,higher quality patches at the
Dialogue: 0,0:08:01.00,0:08:03.00,Default,,0,0,0,,first attempt, they need to really
Dialogue: 0,0:08:03.00,0:08:05.00,Default,,0,0,0,,lighten the load an the reviewers. And then
Dialogue: 0,0:08:05.00,0:08:07.00,Default,,0,0,0,,we need to make
Dialogue: 0,0:08:07.00,0:08:09.00,Default,,0,0,0,,it easy for the reviewers to
Dialogue: 0,0:08:09.00,0:08:11.00,Default,,0,0,0,,do that, lighten
Dialogue: 0,0:08:11.00,0:08:13.00,Default,,0,0,0,,the work of reviewing. So, how exactly do we
Dialogue: 0,0:08:13.00,0:08:15.00,Default,,0,0,0,,do that?  I have a few
Dialogue: 0,0:08:15.00,0:08:17.00,Default,,0,0,0,,mockups and I'll
Dialogue: 0,0:08:17.00,0:08:19.00,Default,,0,0,0,,try to explain with those,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:19.00,0:08:21.00,Default,,0,0,0,,with the aid of those.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:21.00,0:08:23.00,Default,,0,0,0,,So, let's look at...
Dialogue: 0,0:08:23.00,0:08:25.00,Default,,0,0,0,,I hope you can see the
Dialogue: 0,0:08:25.00,0:08:27.00,Default,,0,0,0,,issue tracker here.  This is
Dialogue: 0,0:08:27.00,0:08:29.00,Default,,0,0,0,,what Mumi normally looks like.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:29.00,0:08:31.00,Default,,0,0,0,,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:31.00,0:08:33.00,Default,,0,0,0,,We have patches listed. We have issues
Dialogue: 0,0:08:33.00,0:08:35.00,Default,,0,0,0,,listed here. And
Dialogue: 0,0:08:35.00,0:08:37.00,Default,,0,0,0,,that is...
Dialogue: 0,0:08:37.00,0:08:39.00,Default,,0,0,0,,this patch
Dialogue: 0,0:08:39.00,0:08:41.00,Default,,0,0,0,,tag, called a patch,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:41.00,0:08:43.00,Default,,0,0,0,,and that's pretty much the only
Dialogue: 0,0:08:43.00,0:08:45.00,Default,,0,0,0,,tag that you see here.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:45.00,0:08:47.00,Default,,0,0,0,,I believe we want something
Dialogue: 0,0:08:47.00,0:08:49.00,Default,,0,0,0,,more like this.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:49.00,0:08:51.00,Default,,0,0,0,,You see lots of colorful tags.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:51.00,0:08:53.00,Default,,0,0,0,,So, package-fix, package-update,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:53.00,0:08:55.00,Default,,0,0,0,,new package, and so on.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:55.00,0:08:57.00,Default,,0,0,0,,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:57.00,0:08:59.00,Default,,0,0,0,,So, package-fix
Dialogue: 0,0:08:59.00,0:09:01.00,Default,,0,0,0,,package-update, and new-package are the three most
Dialogue: 0,0:09:01.00,0:09:03.00,Default,,0,0,0,,common operations on a
Dialogue: 0,0:09:03.00,0:09:05.00,Default,,0,0,0,,package. And then you have these
Dialogue: 0,0:09:05.00,0:09:07.00,Default,,0,0,0,,black tags which
Dialogue: 0,0:09:07.00,0:09:09.00,Default,,0,0,0,,tell you which subsystem that
Dialogue: 0,0:09:09.00,0:09:11.00,Default,,0,0,0,, issue is about.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:11.00,0:09:13.00,Default,,0,0,0,,So, gcc is in
Dialogue: 0,0:09:13.00,0:09:15.00,Default,,0,0,0,,commencement.scm.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:15.00,0:09:17.00,Default,,0,0,0,,Emacs packages are in
Dialogue: 0,0:09:17.00,0:09:19.00,Default,,0,0,0,,emacs-xyz.scm.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:19.00,0:09:21.00,Default,,0,0,0,,There's a python-crypto package
Dialogue: 0,0:09:21.00,0:09:23.00,Default,,0,0,0,,and so on.

  reply	other threads:[~2022-03-02  3:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-03-01 14:36 Creating subtitles for the Guix Days videos! Julien Lepiller
2022-03-01 21:15 ` Luis Felipe
2022-03-01 22:08 ` Tanguy LE CARROUR
2022-03-01 22:36   ` Julien Lepiller
2022-03-01 23:36   ` What are the specs for your guix server? jbranso
2022-03-02  7:22     ` Julien Lepiller
2022-03-02 19:47     ` jbranso
2022-03-01 23:18 ` Creating subtitles for the Guix Days videos! Matt
2022-03-02  3:44   ` Matt [this message]
2022-03-05  4:54     ` Matt
2022-03-05  5:30       ` Matt
     [not found]         ` <a220ab8276495663266b98ecf2eb9c0b@fripost.org>
2022-03-05 14:44           ` Matt
2022-03-02  8:08   ` Tanguy LE CARROUR
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2022-03-05 18:23 Blake Shaw
2022-03-06  1:30 ` Matt

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