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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=2; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1641959521; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=hCoiTMjTr0xQAnL9tddFAlagG79uCuEivaVOdA/80hE=; b=jHc9dvcHKuR5jM6ZnFU13lXiESrWqIFDzMRhAJDzr3wiUgU/2n+XQzwM/2/kxdovaSXF64 XZBpxVcvbrLPTw3o7RenrKiEXX9jGSrDhHmYT9gf0KVad1oWeZFfxk33xXPsD9n7sLRLtK OQhwuXI2nfkuhKs+iIlORCeemYc2EOqLJMz04fD+iNnWo1QMla4GuWKCZv5y2aINspypn8 BQCo0BRMa3z3J0ssYzKeVt+dXmhZbOv87HkVvzA3uEfCT3WHgug/Pd0Sfh6F05V6QAskgi hw49gXhwO1TxIlSSLZh6ipJWvgKUMFBX+qhmcHu0vUMLbXpLk969TP3yrRD0yw== ARC-Seal: i=2; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1641959521; a=rsa-sha256; cv=fail; b=qh4Np2bbyaKpjrKaQmF6nlp6PzEWtzSfZIB7WlGr6BPX+OqjEl+VIhc/rGPtrn4iXCmHVh xOVUievct6SSnbLHC2PBWEHNqPswxhyd0tWltltwpJFBYqFO8jfpxwk2eEgPlZq7oNfQhs mPq/Vy+QD91MmpooZ/a3ZDblPFmYLl/PsKDn+/yQcc5z28wy67yrNKkBBPVpcNlCBbFnWz 4aRP2PefVgjst0SUsU8Ka8sOonLDxtGdY76sxld+HhJdbGZuJHkw2vmYK8drXgAgiOFC3k KEfGNphFhsvQd1gWb68FsBI3K10hhG7CQKCpJ4t6c8Fd68H37MnVtg0GUz2vBw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=2; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=excalamus.com header.s=zmail header.b=IPNjBXJL; arc=reject ("signature check failed: fail, {[1] = sig:zohomail.com:reject}"); dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.61 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=excalamus.com header.s=zmail header.b=IPNjBXJL; arc=reject ("signature check failed: fail, {[1] = sig:zohomail.com:reject}"); dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 5860B389F1 X-Spam-Score: -1.61 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: JsV/nhngO6rG ---- On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 10:30:22 -0500 Tobias Geerinckx-Rice wrote ---- > Hullo Matt, >=20 > Matt =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A > > I feel like it also says that community isn't important to us. >=20 > I understand how you could reach a flawed conclusion from a flawed=20 > assumption: >=20 > > Wikis are synonymous with community. >=20 > But it's still circular, wrong, and frankly quite offensive. I didn't mean to say that you or the broader Guix community doesn't care. I= can see how what I said was unclear and accused people of that. I'm sorry = for that. What I tried to say was *not* if someone values community that they must ha= ve a wiki. Instead, that a wiki is inherently based around community. If th= ere's a wiki, there is implied community. Of course, it's technically poss= ible for someone to create, host, and maintain a wiki just for themselves. = But given the options of not hosting, or using some other format (e.g. blog= ), the choice of a wiki strongly implies collaboration (which is the essenc= e of community). I was under the impression that the wiki linked to from the main page was *= not* editable by non-FSF members. I was mistaken about that. If that were t= he case (non-editable), then I think it would reflect poorly. I tried to make the wiki more clear. I still think it's confusing for it t= o be there. > Guix cares about community very much. Many of us care very little=20 > for wikis, having seen how they attract much outdated and=20 > incorrect information and spam. Wikis are high-maintenance. =20 Given this situation, I see why. > I must say, the proponents of wikis have done an exceptionally=20 > poor job of representing them. Yet we're supposed to be convinced=20 > that we're missing countless valuable contributions by people who=20 > can't be bothered to send a mail. The reality is that wikis can be helpful and they can be misleading. I don'= t think anyone is under the impression that they will write and maintain th= emselves. I'm not advocating for a wiki. I'm saying, there is one currently linked t= o from the homepage. What should be done with it? I'm willing to help maintain it.