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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel , calcium Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=2; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1641659114; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=8mm+cb9bSacEeNSJ3nahYJpuLs+GdeLrvTesu9+n+JA=; b=jFuXN5OcHd641+02qvSiMbAaxr9bUEKCz1klims5OKSBYxiThMzLb/d5hrMIbSDwd/5Kl3 6ugWiRK70BHxiTC6vz4PGGWd7ebbXXXY3GWzKqaqM7beDjgFgddrxJWEq3150ryd8l0Xq4 AKXesz6DzZm4kCgiHYBosQUwGrnYQavnzkSOjLkCDATPzLavZRsrr7Ji9VsV3TUMlBhiho AigYsguDLXHPFR76aaVe5IMO9DBeN2nNmQn6LDQJVCJRO08za61W8WRzaVXX6pFdwa1u/V wb9W9jsOUvmpFpMyzZ+T47KbJJdmMHiR0kHw2U97ZvYPT27wEVEc/sEBSkiqSQ== ARC-Seal: i=2; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1641659114; a=rsa-sha256; cv=fail; b=b9UnBVOxbkgqM58619Sy7bg9fdIoeXkeM57ghxo8kPbXyPg5q8fRSvasYuqMDLpSs97WvZ BhBb5N8jzJhBUm3mg4QOw1GIlpzoeR7rAkVTzHhf1EZQZ8MHUDUDMQOUJZvPkUvDvfPArZ LvTRD6yoobIoK19mpptU77k+iggIBOXOVw1T4jxMZUBLMPVIGsD21U47GMt+rcKabgAaIL XyPMmLB9jww+BiKtqP6qHfHFOo6Z7LgsMXRLtpJurxU5LX6UmuyOoKKWMHvmG3E4EQXLQT CpWzpSPLn/TUst7xeVyMfhLG5WC0ZMmx03W4qC+fXsqr+AYCDzaetxhoqclOlg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=2; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=excalamus.com header.s=zmail header.b=AKyomBg9; arc=reject ("signature check failed: fail, {[1] = sig:zohomail.com:reject}"); dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.09 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=excalamus.com header.s=zmail header.b=AKyomBg9; arc=reject ("signature check failed: fail, {[1] = sig:zohomail.com:reject}"); dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: B09C612067 X-Spam-Score: -1.09 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: y0NfYGF3uLNM > > I would like for Guix to host a community wiki (in addition to a more = discoverable official documentation). >=20 > That=E2=80=99s the purpose of the Cookbook, which is open to all contrib= utors. The cookbook is a great resource. I'd like to contribute to it. Let me walk through what that looks like from my perspective. I'm afraid, = however, that it comes across as aggressive, ungrateful, or demanding. Non= e of those are my intent! I genuinely want to help but struggle to understa= nd the process. My goal is to outline a "user story". >From my perspective, contributing to the cookbook looks as follows. I've t= ried to be factual and ask rhetorical questions.=20 How do I contribute to the cookbook? I see no information in the cookbook a= bout how to do that. I'm looking at https://guix.gnu.org/cookbook/en/guix-c= ookbook.html The contribute page (https://guix.gnu.org/en/contribute/) links to this mai= ling list. I am willing and ready to contribute. Now what? I see the manual has a section on contributing: https://guix.gnu.org/manual= /en/html_node/Contributing.html#Contributing I see nothing about how to contribute to documentation.=20 Do I need to submit a patch?=20 How do I submit a patch?=20 Do I have to write in TexInfo? What is the roadmap from me spending hours authoring something to it being = available for review from experts or to being useful to others? I see https://guix.gnu.org/manual/en/html_node/Commit-Access.html says I wo= uld need three people to vouche for me, have to apply for maintainership, a= nd some other stuff I didn't read.=20 Would anyone actually vouche for me at this point? I have two documents written in Org: 1. http://excalamus.com/test-guix-case-study-plover-python-dictionary.html 2. http://excalamus.com/2021-10-06-guix-debug.html Do I have to convert them to TexInfo? Who will review them? Is the layout and style appropriate for info distribution? Are there any licensing concerns to be aware of? To close, I apologise for how aggressive all the questions can feel. Readin= g over it is overwhelming, even for me. I'm afraid it may come across as s= imply yelling "Why? Why? Why?" I would like to help provide answers. Howev= er, it feels like myself and others are practically begging for direction o= n how to do that. Someone has the authority and means to address these issu= es. Who is that person and what is their gameplan for addressing the issues= raised in this thread? How do I (and others) figure into that plan? How I = and others fit into this community? Thank you for your time and patience! (And for everyone, including you, Ric= ardo, who have contributed to making Guix something myself and others want = to use and extend).=20