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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1653983823; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=kFRk5BPMOzKhGov0hOgHwni1N6rcqYay96xuqVvnyCM=; b=P/EDMm4JufCjuy+I/vhXn3aWdAkh6vowKBz84hz2BGQQZMh/+X5A0ebtGTdu5n7h4Tmj1O Mej2V8XlFz8dWV1womYMenAkiSzxu3NQdVKGrOrn+tVQiLmutkP/SN5N825gARy/VcVuUi ROwF0L8KGph59YRfK/4Ndfn6pgqRuRyVF5zesCuR2eikE16gK31yJJm4n+SK6CLnR/y8ky vhUXQwRlbCaiOQx389rU0MpiJAo+gPoT11DzH5Ose3ykZCZg1ljtyTsg4KEcx2q2Gzg+EU CqxjhV32UukdlT39uwJ/15MwSn69fzLTy7bpYSVTR4OGV/IBnD3xTmkA10zNPA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1653983823; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=QjStuttmHbBYyomACE+iXtnRBS6Ym9oON4yT9hXT4zhACJYLOwP4ZONj0AAEAe/2NX6MVq 2UJ+IA5sbkPC7SKUBhU6yCoKLzGac5D7sCMUQY5vJez5thARMHD3O85oEWWiWg4+uC0yqi TtpOer2upJrf0BEBt+q++1Tverrd5tCyo7r1ifE5X5nfNq1ymnHa/gTT6jxzC4UZFAqroW LkwACuTJuaAxQiH7JrsBgtARQIAXIBBz140rPzJnn9J2ucBq50sus9fzfX+1NFamlR2EOW Zn85qBRHyvSdKupnZYHE0oFQKp6jjzC+9e0YdLR9azze0eImWssEnY7xNn0QVg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.84 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 9874020B61 X-Spam-Score: -2.84 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: ikI/rDR0q5Of Hi Ludo=E2=80=99, Quoting Ludovic Court=C3=A8s (2022-05-30 17:34:43) > Maxime Devos skribis: >=20 > > Ludovic Court=C3=A8s schreef op ma 18-04-2022 om 22:24 [+0200]: > >> [... guix refresh -u stuff failing due to not finding the key ...] > >> I=E2=80=99m not sure what a good solution is (other than looking for t= he key > >> manually on Savannah or on some random key server). > > > > Alternatively, why use key servers at all? WDYT of something like > > > > (package > > (name "gnurl") > > [...] > > (properties > > ;; Keys that are considered =E2=80=98trustworthy=E2=80=99 for signi= ng releases > > ;; of gnurl. > > `((permitted-pgp-signing-keys "CABB A99E ..." "DEAD BEEF ...") > > ;; Locations of PGP key (possibly with some of them pointing to > > ;; the same key) > > (pgp-key-locations > > ,(savannah-pgp-key USER-ID) ... ; most signers are on savannah.= gnu.org > > ,(local-file "[...]/someone.pub") ; not easily available from t= he Web =20 > > "https://rando/key.pub" > > "ipfs://.../..." "gnunet://...")))) ; download key via P2P netw= orks > > > > The first part (permitted-pgp-signing-keys) has been suggested previous= ly and > > seems mostly orthogonal, but the second part is new. It would reduce > > the dependency on central infrastructure. We could consider key servers > > to be =E2=80=98merely=E2=80=99 another fallback. >=20 > We could also have our own key server. Just like =E2=80=98guix lint -c > archival=E2=80=99 triggers SWH archival, we could have a tool that trigge= rs key > download on the server so that crypto material never vanishes. That would be a solution, I guess. But what would be the cost of setting it up and maintaining it? Is gnurl the only package with this problem or is it something that happens= often?! Regards, --=20 Tanguy