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I > think thats the reason why stuff like Gnome and others lower in the > dependency tree are lacking behind... Being non-FHS and non-systemd > makes updates for those stuff not easier and is maybe the third > reason/root issue... I agree with all 3 points. I have hope however that we can develop better tooling over time to ease the burden on us so we can devote more time to tasks that actually absolutely **require** our human oversight to be done. And then even without an increase in the contributor base we can avoid lagging behind on these updates. --=-tHAvWqWsOfBlFSKpV4TU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCgAdFiEEFIvLi9gL+xax3g6RRaix6GvNEKYFAmBQliAACgkQRaix6GvN EKbaqBAAlc++Zel5L1UPmCg8exmKlxeFMRfrum+yl+irhq+6VjCCVyxoA06J7lRM RIpihvHTkDz+Xvo879XmZjXw0ortzrfyZWOO4MvBKVfZoyVQYL0dR4D904JLqy1b JstEB15qyblDG6fQByFZMl0Wp3NBxqxps7XWO2hPChbD4ajw1LEg3q9agIZ+LZPs hQkfK6A4ym4O4MZibhO5t6n811jBJGWyRfp5xH+lcGH3k6/I/l696YPSftTX7F02 mpKaKtlAWHrcLyvy8GghLeylE566OKkoJ3FdAGbswKb0bJv1fnQDMr4KqpY2N257 muZAEDkVcohXx9HyZTVr3gRoanpIaACE+rdmEDXs5eAqFkf6BUYWK1WpfXC4hIAT 6tlxp8ZPd/wATB2US7/N0wGRhDgboOyUaEBFFSQxucqHs52g9HQj22PaE7vxlIA9 An1zy5P5Vj8pwCf9epHQhJbonH+9S5uWCt88EEaFaPw5DrmOwZ1KlH7AMvNrYmCd yYB+Q5BHUzGDcP0czaQeDDPMNkrmg0XB0IX82n9f7DrWtJM1aIGQIdmQGq3w7lko 4ckJEWKSvxkE491iw4WfOdwxq1JJVG7F9ECGU7BqXp1qq/LQ7KhJwmUG5QtnT5fu m3InQ5lUN6EWgeaz2VI+x0W9XX6+HZ1ODCooxKUnzfxWX9kQCgc= =HRGK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-tHAvWqWsOfBlFSKpV4TU--