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It's the running > and stopped states that a user wants to know about a service. A user might (intentionally or otherwise) run several shepherd commands in parallel. For instance, if herd start my-service blocks and my- service depends on some-other-service, I can run herd status and it will tell me: 1. that some-other-service is starting or started 2. that my-service is starting and I shouldn't try to start another Cheers