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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1655662649; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=wGnDDH/gmyHmwZrABquKbpbohaBLc53NeXJSJrL5ZhA=; b=sDXGuFgS4lzEvjD1+gnj0tkE5hi0jyJ78dnrOUf+J+SnCLxVwdGk4ixsLwCp4QlDKQx1cE T2A4XH3g5H1Qk/YKJ2lnctQgnbTe+nknqJPXM+AsBLeRy19mraCQoZbWtyzJIkF8RsRtig mGclGWGifPjXAiahmbMpw9ocXt36Nz6nlD+Slc1eBkZf01B2sD759JcOlvi+qX+oeH/1jN MHKkawzm/KAUS+bgvHhJN66h7L/E64ZkdsN4iqV/1ICpkiYfylRO7RP6PlhgVzH2c89Mf5 3dWoH0ckEmHp2jOSK19h/IiucCkEdxjq1DqqQSGyok+A6F7TejeqgOlq83jt2g== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1655662649; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=LoXMh7aTfERMrT8+88EfZVCyTcGutcdrh9bIzwjpSFQJfJq4JNiw5bGvrHbI6OE/eJSRaU ZSWsPiGT5mDJwBv5DecrQRy4GBgXbV0/yFYxNbkctfVpuhcCLlp6AGd+OhG46OoBjOchPa LJBW+cCMlDf088SkMZxSJ6dauuWJDJfruhFjz9NpYWDA/csu1qah8eqr2NY+ZKPsrBvZH0 Jm/OTvybeQivG5kEfx3F6YKoh4+J51GiYUOXpXsOLX7qmpKaDFUppJDY36P3XvqL5jJ65B DBqyVGLOIb7HGa0YnIemHc7iuOjV14n9VEBCMCSrC5Iu6LNkT3Q+PlLboGN4bA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=philipmcgrath.com header.s=fm2 header.b=t4Wt9eO7; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm2 header.b=ZjXnpiIa; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: 3.13 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=philipmcgrath.com header.s=fm2 header.b=t4Wt9eO7; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm2 header.b=ZjXnpiIa; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 553ED3B7BC X-Spam-Score: 3.13 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: cuT2Gns/9qqT On Fri, Jun 17, 2022, at 11:37 AM, Brian Cully via Development of GNU Gu= ix and the GNU System distribution. wrote: > Ludovic Court=C3=A8s writes: > >> So plain =E2=80=98emacs=E2=80=99 package doesn=E2=80=99t work on Wayl= and? That sounds=20 >> like a >> recipe for a poor user experience, no? > > The mainline Emacs is not Wayland-native, but it (along with just=20 > about everything else) will run fine under XWayland. It's how I've=20 > been running it for some time now. The user experience is almost=20 > indistinguishable from either the =E2=80=98pgtk=E2=80=99 branch or the= mainline,=20 > X-only branch. > I'm on a foreign distro, but FWIW I've been using plain Emacs 27 with th= e KDE Plasma Wayland session on HiDPI displays for over a year, and I ha= ve no complaints. In fact, I didn't even realize Emacs wasn't Wayland-na= tive until this thread. I took a look just now at the 'emacs-next-pgtk' = package in Guix: it does look a bit nicer in a side-by-side comparison, = but it's subtle. Either way, mostly Emacs just looks like Emacs. So I do= n't think Emacs should be a blocker for enabling Wayland by default. -Philip