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dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=XshDHtHv; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=riseup.net (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of bug-guix-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=bug-guix-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 4206A9DD7 X-Spam-Score: -1.34 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: JnmSUfsZLiJF > The reason is to save bandwidth. For the user or for the website? If its for the website i dont see 200MB (difference between .iso and .xz) is making a big deal different, And if the complain real about that in Megabytes then there shouldnt be a direct download to the image not .xz nor as .iso it should be only used with torrents (or any similar protocol). ArchLinux doing that: https://archlinux.org/download/ But providing direct download to the image over https i dont see its justified to say it saves bandwidth by compressing it.(unmentioned/very minimal saving) To save bandwidth as well by providing https is by using mirrors. (i think there are too many out there) But if its for the user, Then i dont see any complains from users over downloading multiple GBs of NixOS or debian or qubes or...etc > 1) Host the uncompressed ISO yourself and send that link to your host > provider So the alternative solution is harder than fixing the original problem? When i report an issue that doesnt mean i dont know how to fix it or i cant find alternative solutions, Its not about me but its about the user specially new users, so i dont know how new user who paid 5 dollar for outside host provider to test Guix or using it, to go and host .iso image for guix. You know whats the alternative easier solution for that user: he go and install NixOS or X OS and hes happy with that because it saves time and money and effort. > 2) Ask the host provider to download and uncompress the ISO on their > own. They should be able to do this because they will have to store the > ISO file on their servers anyways. Thats really too much to ask because there are more than one form of compression and to do that for 1 or 2 users who want to use this x distro which doesnt use the traditional way and not from the famous distros (like debian or fedora) i can assure this is not gonna happen (at least anytime soon). Leo Famulari: > On Wed, Apr 07, 2021 at 05:31:57AM +0000, bo0od wrote: >> I see that guix compress its image here: >> >> https://guix.gnu.org/en/download/ >> >> Which im not sure why (I dont see any known project doing that), > > The reason is to save bandwidth. > >> But regardless to the reason behind it this is actually give some >> problems to users who want to use Guix on outside server, Many host >> providers nowadays they give the opportunity to install whatever the >> user want from distros according to his wish from outside source but >> one thing needed for that is the URL to the .iso , And the host gonna >> download/run/import the .iso for the user. > > I have two suggestions: > > 1) Host the uncompressed ISO yourself and send that link to your host > provider > > 2) Ask the host provider to download and uncompress the ISO on their > own. They should be able to do this because they will have to store the > ISO file on their servers anyways. >