From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp1 ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id KEBbMvMzuWC5HAAAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Thu, 03 Jun 2021 21:56:35 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp1 with LMTPS id UKFFLfMzuWCEKgAAbx9fmQ (envelope-from ) for ; Thu, 03 Jun 2021 19:56:35 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8220F21AE2 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2021 21:56:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:56064 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lotSB-0005Bp-Ru for larch@yhetil.org; Thu, 03 Jun 2021 15:56:31 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:35088) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lotQk-00031J-EO for bug-guix@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Jun 2021 15:55:02 -0400 Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:33157) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lotQk-0000Hk-6A for bug-guix@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Jun 2021 15:55:02 -0400 Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lotQk-0001a6-49 for bug-guix@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Jun 2021 15:55:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#48793: Make guix room available over matrix Resent-From: bo0od Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-guix@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2021 19:55:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 48793 X-GNU-PR-Package: guix X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Bone Baboon X-Debbugs-Original-Cc: bug-guix@gnu.org, Julien Lepiller , 48793@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.16227500626028 (code B ref -1); Thu, 03 Jun 2021 19:55:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jun 2021 19:54:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44703 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lotQ5-0001ZA-Nt for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Jun 2021 15:54:21 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:39546) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lotQ4-0001Z3-7I for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Jun 2021 15:54:20 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:34986) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lotQ3-0002Nj-Ut for bug-guix@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Jun 2021 15:54:19 -0400 Received: from mx1.riseup.net ([198.252.153.129]:53640) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lotQ0-00089c-Cc for bug-guix@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Jun 2021 15:54:19 -0400 Received: from fews1.riseup.net (fews1-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.83]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FwxRF5jf6zF2Jr; Thu, 3 Jun 2021 12:53:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1622750025; bh=TE1wjsWx4m85xBGctrCFFH6QNXIDNmk9EaUTse66OwU=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=YJMGS5rw6XUS9RoOmJkfrsAyHapDYvBLXuLU3A6QM6JGMEksj8PSKhdLyL6l35Cwc AAmcf2t4SJ3DO1gtErcH544HWmpQehXzHKMjTx7lOZ9iTfrEtDci9vx3AAxFN1QxYB TXqMdIaFvfb0gT4kN2N744XzvhYXGZXx6v3hlrnQ= X-Riseup-User-ID: D27D54D926917318A176901D88CE0568DFBBE5AF1F2480C39A2DBFA412DF6BE8 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4FwxRC3mwXz5w5y; Thu, 3 Jun 2021 12:53:42 -0700 (PDT) References: <97fdc236-5dd2-00e8-9b30-3100ce7ff3dd@riseup.net> <430E6D63-7F7B-401C-B2F3-565CEA8AE037@lepiller.eu> <0162f70f-2b40-effa-ce24-ba20dbaa4678@riseup.net> <3A626254-C9B4-415A-ADA2-7D476B5FFFFE@lepiller.eu> <799fcf4a-fde4-a55e-4ebf-a6cc4d1728bb@riseup.net> <874kef9d2a.fsf@disroot.org> From: bo0od Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2021 19:52:57 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <874kef9d2a.fsf@disroot.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: pass client-ip=198.252.153.129; envelope-from=bo0od@riseup.net; helo=mx1.riseup.net X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-guix@gnu.org List-Id: Bug reports for GNU Guix List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: 48793@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: bug-guix-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "bug-Guix" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1622750194; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding:resent-cc: resent-from:resent-sender:resent-message-id:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=UWnad3HpM59Wdg1VmmDTcVw2VVHyPIGGBjQjciVswjY=; b=Q/xpQYsPN3FRX/aHt10PbcyBREM6WM6XJH8gFMPvTEtuVtXGiaSHw4FU3uZT8J671k0vOh 742xRWv8VL75lep0jCp1IhvAsMOZ5O54Cbos6KzAXSOsG/RtFc6NTdz0D7CaEmjIeyA0AO b5d0rb77nJa1fCf+vmMTslNgsnUqeD4c/ppv1cHUumPr1N2zakKqdJnv/1ijWRVyF/tavQ I5bJMTsVy4mcpHXttLYZ98qEeLeTIX0WqPB8McoQgfRBwZeSDV/5D3mMDVXRfA9aLsaM2X erwzEYu0zAYBm6rpaDMMotvzqIIIAD6U9Nah/pNVy0sM59M0pBv1FbE6FDHE2A== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1622750194; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=piLV20ZV2JSJyJu1eTFtm7NrL6X8MhaWwoUNccFdmwlXqIzt9F7IAFUoYCVXjjOyk3YyRT aiYIrg2N77CXVV+2C9hZP3sZL4LRxT2JrjJQJu4H1iagtB51l+rXkZHK32Y7yLUjADnRkx N1CZ+s0N12RRa3QptHU8FyIZFabzvybfHmhqDgGcraQV4+21USeT3UoIBMPONVAiOuhub4 9YqJakuUf4eyWGqG6mEGC7fzw/N/StGq5AM1HBZijaNDxthlTdaecRzPhSFiguwYL19lJt sjmle+F00AHbVwEzsOzVCPfpE2kguGbnOjxQ0QTYGFSxJIQ6CONCR3+dquZruQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=YJMGS5rw; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of bug-guix-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=bug-guix-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.33 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=YJMGS5rw; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=riseup.net (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of bug-guix-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=bug-guix-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 8220F21AE2 X-Spam-Score: -1.33 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: MsxN0A2yMHRs > In the registration process they encourage the use of Google captcha. Thats true, but comparing google captcha which only need to allow JS while using Tor VS you cant even access or register unless you use real IP address = No question google captcha has less privacy impact in this scenario. OFTC was an example, Hackint and other IRC provider provide as well Tor access without even these boundaries. So whether changing the IRC server or having matrix room bridged to IRC both solve the problem. Bone Baboon: > bo0od writes: > >> if guix irc migrated to OFTC > > OFTC has a problematic registration process. > > In the registration process they encourage the use of Google captcha. > Further there is no mention during the registration process of any > alternative account registration options. > > The use of Google captcha is problematic because of freedom, privacy, > ethical and philosophical reasons. There is a freedom problem because > JavaScript has to be enabled and Google captcha is not free software. > There is a privacy issue demonstrated by the Tor browser documentation's > security settings section which says that JavaScript is disabled when > the safest setting is > used. Then there > is an ethical issue of people doing free labor for Google. Then there > is a philosophical issue if that free labor is used to train artificial > intelligence (Google is working on artificial intelligence > ) as this raises the issue of > artificial intelligence safety. > >