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From: Maxime Devos <maximedevos@telenet.be>
To: "Maxim Cournoyer" <maxim.cournoyer@gmail.com>,
	"Ludovic Courtès" <ludo@gnu.org>
Cc: 55898@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#55898: Services depending on new Shepherd features may fail until reboot
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2022 15:28:01 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d06b945a-3c6a-17ab-4179-18c6ba7479b7@telenet.be> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87tu5r8c8m.fsf@gmail.com>


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On 01-09-2022 15:18, Maxim Cournoyer wrote:

> I had something different on mind; I was thinking of some added field to
> our shepherd-service object where the minimal version of Shepherd
> required could be specified, e.g. "0.9.1".
>
> The check could be abstracted in the shepherd-service implementation,
> avoiding services writers to handle that by themselves in*each*  service
> requiring so.
>
> The benefit would be an improved user experience, and cleaner service
> code.  Upon reconfiguring a machine not yet equipped with a new enough
> Shepherd, Shepherd could print:
>
> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> The x, y and z services won't be started until the next reboot, as they
> require a newer Shepherd version.
> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
>
> Instead of seeing the new services fail to run without (for the end
> user) without any obvious reason.
>
> Does that make sense?
I like this system, it's declarative, simple and doesn't have the 
defined?-looks-in-(current-module) problem. It also avoids accumulating 
compatibility fallbacks that probably won't be well-tested.

If something like (defined? 'whatever) is desired instead of version 
checks (though I don't see the value here, see Maxim explanation on 
different contexts), a similar system based on feature checks could be 
used instead:

(require-exports ; <-- the field
   '(((module name) this that ...)
     [...]))

The (if (defined? ...) preferred compat) pattern could be preserved for 
the case where a patch author puts in some extra effort to not require 
reboots on systems where an old shepherd is running, but a simple 
version check or feature check would be accepted too.

Greetings,
Maxime.

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  reply	other threads:[~2022-09-01 13:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-06-11  5:53 bug#55898: jami service failing following 'guix deploy' update Maxim Cournoyer
2022-06-11 14:51 ` Maxime Devos
2022-06-14 19:40   ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-06-24 17:52     ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-06-24 18:01     ` bug#55898: jami service failing following reconfigure Maxim Cournoyer
2022-07-06 21:38       ` bug#55898: jami service failing following 'guix deploy' update Maxim Cournoyer
2022-07-06 22:01         ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-07-20 21:19           ` bug#55898: Services depending on new Shepherd features may fail until reboot Ludovic Courtès
2022-07-21  4:10             ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-08-29 13:43               ` Ludovic Courtès
2022-08-29 21:06                 ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-08-30  7:33                   ` Ludovic Courtès
2022-08-30  9:35                     ` Maxime Devos
2022-08-30 13:50                       ` Ludovic Courtès
2022-09-01 13:18                     ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-09-01 13:28                       ` Maxime Devos [this message]
2022-09-01 13:51                       ` Ludovic Courtès
2022-09-01 19:16                         ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-09-02  9:10                           ` Ludovic Courtès

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