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spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of bug-guix-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=bug-guix-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.34 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=tugraz.at header.s=mailrelay header.b=HrZeJ5x0; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=student.tugraz.at (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of bug-guix-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=bug-guix-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 7CBC713FE8 X-Spam-Score: -1.34 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: SLRaAIrXK0Sy Am Freitag, den 23.04.2021, 16:23 +0000 schrieb bo0od: > Not really personal, Its about when there are new users these > commands > looks horrible. Sorry for informing you, but your sense for aesthetics is a very personal thing. If we really want to talk about UX, much more would be gained by having a translatable GUI than through questionable command renamings. > You can call it personal when im saying use this X instead B while X > and > B has the same bad approach or both are good. This is called personal > e.g: > > use upgrade instead of distro-upgrade = yeah very much is something > not > really benefiting/different and personal. > > but pull or update , reconfigure or system-upgrade...etc this is not > anymore personal as i have already explained in my reasoning above. - guix pull: You "pull" a fresh set of package descriptions. Note, that you can't "push" package descriptions *yet*. - guix upgrade: You "upgrade" a given user profile. - guix system reconfigure: You "reconfigure" your "system" according to the specifications made in some file. Note, that this is not inherently an upgrade -- it is perfectly fine only to change some services, to add new ones, or to do all of those three at once. Of course, there may come times, when you will have to explain to your less tech-savvy family members or friends, who you've helped install Guix, why upgrading all of your packages is such a tedious operation, that involves this funny command line thing. I've been there and done that. It all makes sense if you take a little time to explain/understand it properly. Regards, Leo