On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 02:34:22PM -0400, Mark H Weaver wrote: > Hi Maxim, > > Maxim Cournoyer writes: > > > Mark H Weaver writes: > > > >> 'earlyoom' behavior is not necessarily desirable. I, for one, have a > >> fairly old computer by today's standards, and sometimes I ask it to do > >> intensive things that are at the edge of its capabilities, such as > >> compiling GNU IceCat. An aggressive 'earlyoom' might prematurely abort > >> jobs that could have completed, and thereby make it impossible for me to > >> continue using this old computer for development. > >> > >> With that in mind, it's far from clear that 'earlyoom' should be our > >> default behavior. It's good to have it as an option, though. > > > > Earlyoom's default config is to only kills processes when both the > > physical memory *and* the swap have been used by more than 90%; in such > > as serious resource depletion situation, that usually mean having to > > hard reset the machine, or waiting one night not knowing if it'll be > > done doing whatever it's doing the next morning (probably getting OOM'd > > anyway by the kernel, Linux). > [...] > > My 2 cents here is that earlyoom makes Guix System more usable on dated > > hardware than Linux's default OOM behavior; from my experience of using > > it on a 4 GiB RAM 2010-era laptop for a good while. > > Okay, I trust your judgment on this. I haven't tried 'earlyoom' myself. > Moreover, my use case is very unusual, and so it doesn't make sense to > choose a default behavior based on my needs. > > So, I've changed my mind. Thanks for talking me through it. > > > I personally would see it a good option for our users to have it on by > > default *if* we could manage to connect Earlyoom's notification system > > with the desktop (via D-Bus, I think it supports that), so that when a > > process is killed, the users has some feedback about it (the stock Linux > > OOMK is sure to not let you wondering what's going on -- everything > > stops to a crawl, and your hard drive gets thrashed). > > That sounds excellent, if it can be done. Otherwise, it might still > make sense to have 'earlyoom' on by default in Guix. I'll leave it to > others to decide. > > Thanks, > Mark FWIW I setup OOM so that it would specifically kill build processes or icecat but not my desktop. (service earlyoom-service-type (earlyoom-configuration (prefer-regexp "(cc1(plus)?|.rustc-real|ghc|Web Content)") (avoid-regexp "enlightenment"))) -- Efraim Flashner אפרים פלשנר GPG key = A28B F40C 3E55 1372 662D 14F7 41AA E7DC CA3D 8351 Confidentiality cannot be guaranteed on emails sent or received unencrypted