bug#39468: Openbox - Calculator does not load

bug#39468: Openbox - Calculator does not load

[Scott C. MacCallum via Bug reports for GNU Guix]

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After the installation of all the available desktop environments, in Openbox from the Accessories menu Calculator does not load.

Scott
scmguru - irc.freenode.net

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bug#39468: Openbox - Calculator does not load

[Julien Lepiller]

Le 6 février 2020 15:39:36 GMT-05:00, "Scott C. MacCallum via Bug reports for GNU Guix" <bug-guix@gnu.org> a écrit :
>After the installation of all the available desktop environments, in
>Openbox from the Accessories menu Calculator does not load.
>
>Scott
>scmguru - irc.freenode.net
>
>Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email.

To be fair, if you installed only the openbox environment, none of the items in the menu would work. However, this is not a guix-specific bug, and as an openbox user, I don't expect to have all of these items available. The menu is static and the same in all distros. You're supposed to configure it yourself, which makes it not very user friendly, but that's how it works.

I don't really see how to improve the situation, do you have a suggestion?

bug#39468: Openbox - Calculator does not load

[Julien Lepiller]

Le 6 février 2020 16:12:38 GMT-05:00, "Scott C. MacCallum" <smaccallum@protonmail.com> a écrit :

Please make sure to keep debbugs in CC :)

>> To be fair, if you installed only the openbox environment, none of
>>the items in the menu would work
>
>I didn't install just an Openbox environment, I installed all of the
>available desktop environments.

I understand, and the other environments brought other packages with them, which made some of the menu items work.

>
>>However, this is not a guix-specific bug, and as an openbox user, I
>>don't expect to have all of these items available.
>
>Perhaps it's not an Guix-specific bug but that's certainly not the case
>with other distros. It was my understanding that Guix wanted to reach
>the widest audience possible, including those not technically inclined.

OK, though I certainly got locked out of my initial installation on arch linux because I forgot to add xterm for instance, and I'm sure all of these items don't work ootb on debian or other distros.

Maybe having openbox as an initial choice in the installer is a bad idea, or the installer could add these packages. We could also change the openbox package to restrict the quantity of default menu entries to some minimum.

I'd like to close your other bugs (39469 to 39474) as I think they all have the same root cause. I'll rename this one Do you agree?

>
>> I don't really see how to improve the situation, do you have a
>>suggestion?
>
>I actually don't use Openbox as my default desktop environment. I was
>thinking about others.
>
>Scott
>scmguru - irc.freenode.net
>
>Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
>
>‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>On Thursday, February 6, 2020 4:03 PM, Julien Lepiller
><julien@lepiller.eu> wrote:
>
>> Le 6 février 2020 15:39:36 GMT-05:00, "Scott C. MacCallum via Bug
>reports for GNU Guix" bug-guix@gnu.org a écrit :
>>
>> > After the installation of all the available desktop environments,
>in
>> > Openbox from the Accessories menu Calculator does not load.
>> > Scott
>> > scmguru - irc.freenode.net
>> > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
>>
>> To be fair, if you installed only the openbox environment, none of
>the items in the menu would work. However, this is not a guix-specific
>bug, and as an openbox user, I don't expect to have all of these items
>available. The menu is static and the same in all distros. You're
>supposed to configure it yourself, which makes it not very user
>friendly, but that's how it works.
>>
>> I don't really see how to improve the situation, do you have a
>suggestion?

bug#39468: Openbox - Calculator does not load

[Scott C. MacCallum via Bug reports for GNU Guix]

"I'd like to close your other bugs (39469 to 39474) as I think they all have the same root cause. I'll rename this one Do you agree?"

I agree. And I'll stop submitting bugs for the other broken menu items. :)

Scott
scmguru - irc.freenode.net

Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.

‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
On Thursday, February 6, 2020 4:23 PM, Julien Lepiller <julien@lepiller.eu> wrote:

> Le 6 février 2020 16:12:38 GMT-05:00, "Scott C. MacCallum" smaccallum@protonmail.com a écrit :
>
> Please make sure to keep debbugs in CC :)
>
> > > To be fair, if you installed only the openbox environment, none of
> > > the items in the menu would work
> >
> > I didn't install just an Openbox environment, I installed all of the
> > available desktop environments.
>
> I understand, and the other environments brought other packages with them, which made some of the menu items work.
>
> > > However, this is not a guix-specific bug, and as an openbox user, I
> > > don't expect to have all of these items available.
> >
> > Perhaps it's not an Guix-specific bug but that's certainly not the case
> > with other distros. It was my understanding that Guix wanted to reach
> > the widest audience possible, including those not technically inclined.
>
> OK, though I certainly got locked out of my initial installation on arch linux because I forgot to add xterm for instance, and I'm sure all of these items don't work ootb on debian or other distros.
>
> Maybe having openbox as an initial choice in the installer is a bad idea, or the installer could add these packages. We could also change the openbox package to restrict the quantity of default menu entries to some minimum.
>
> I'd like to close your other bugs (39469 to 39474) as I think they all have the same root cause. I'll rename this one Do you agree?
>
> > > I don't really see how to improve the situation, do you have a
> > > suggestion?
> >
> > I actually don't use Openbox as my default desktop environment. I was
> > thinking about others.
> > Scott
> > scmguru - irc.freenode.net
> > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
> > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> > On Thursday, February 6, 2020 4:03 PM, Julien Lepiller
> > julien@lepiller.eu wrote:
> >
> > > Le 6 février 2020 15:39:36 GMT-05:00, "Scott C. MacCallum via Bug
> > > reports for GNU Guix" bug-guix@gnu.org a écrit :
> > >
> > > > After the installation of all the available desktop environments,
> > > > in
> > >
> > > > Openbox from the Accessories menu Calculator does not load.
> > > > Scott
> > > > scmguru - irc.freenode.net
> > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
> > >
> > > To be fair, if you installed only the openbox environment, none of
> > > the items in the menu would work. However, this is not a guix-specific
> > > bug, and as an openbox user, I don't expect to have all of these items
> > > available. The menu is static and the same in all distros. You're
> > > supposed to configure it yourself, which makes it not very user
> > > friendly, but that's how it works.
> > > I don't really see how to improve the situation, do you have a
> > > suggestion?

bug#39468: Openbox - Calculator does not load

[Gábor Boskovits]

Hello,

Scott C. MacCallum via Bug reports for GNU Guix <bug-guix@gnu.org> ezt
írta (időpont: 2020. febr. 6., Cs, 22:38):
>
> "I'd like to close your other bugs (39469 to 39474) as I think they all have the same root cause. I'll rename this one Do you agree?"
>
> I agree. And I'll stop submitting bugs for the other broken menu items. :)
>
> Scott
> scmguru - irc.freenode.net
>
> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
>
> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> On Thursday, February 6, 2020 4:23 PM, Julien Lepiller <julien@lepiller.eu> wrote:
>
> > Le 6 février 2020 16:12:38 GMT-05:00, "Scott C. MacCallum" smaccallum@protonmail.com a écrit :
> >
> > Please make sure to keep debbugs in CC :)
> >
> > > > To be fair, if you installed only the openbox environment, none of
> > > > the items in the menu would work
> > >
> > > I didn't install just an Openbox environment, I installed all of the
> > > available desktop environments.
> >
> > I understand, and the other environments brought other packages with them, which made some of the menu items work.
> >
> > > > However, this is not a guix-specific bug, and as an openbox user, I
> > > > don't expect to have all of these items available.
> > >
> > > Perhaps it's not an Guix-specific bug but that's certainly not the case
> > > with other distros. It was my understanding that Guix wanted to reach
> > > the widest audience possible, including those not technically inclined.
> >
> > OK, though I certainly got locked out of my initial installation on arch linux because I forgot to add xterm for instance, and I'm sure all of these items don't work ootb on debian or other distros.
> >
> > Maybe having openbox as an initial choice in the installer is a bad idea, or the installer could add these packages. We could also change the openbox package to restrict the quantity of default menu entries to some minimum.

I believe we could do something along these lines:
1. Provide an openbox-minimal and an openbox entry.
2. openbox minimal would do what openbox does right now
3. define a %openbox-recommended-packages list that makes most of it work
4. the openbox entry would append the %openbox-recommended-packages to
the package list.

It needs more thought, but I believe this would improve the situation,
and having this list would ease
setup not only on install. Wdyt?

> >
> > I'd like to close your other bugs (39469 to 39474) as I think they all have the same root cause. I'll rename this one Do you agree?
> >
> > > > I don't really see how to improve the situation, do you have a
> > > > suggestion?
> > >
> > > I actually don't use Openbox as my default desktop environment. I was
> > > thinking about others.
> > > Scott
> > > scmguru - irc.freenode.net
> > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
> > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> > > On Thursday, February 6, 2020 4:03 PM, Julien Lepiller
> > > julien@lepiller.eu wrote:
> > >
> > > > Le 6 février 2020 15:39:36 GMT-05:00, "Scott C. MacCallum via Bug
> > > > reports for GNU Guix" bug-guix@gnu.org a écrit :
> > > >
> > > > > After the installation of all the available desktop environments,
> > > > > in
> > > >
> > > > > Openbox from the Accessories menu Calculator does not load.
> > > > > Scott
> > > > > scmguru - irc.freenode.net
> > > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
> > > >
> > > > To be fair, if you installed only the openbox environment, none of
> > > > the items in the menu would work. However, this is not a guix-specific
> > > > bug, and as an openbox user, I don't expect to have all of these items
> > > > available. The menu is static and the same in all distros. You're
> > > > supposed to configure it yourself, which makes it not very user
> > > > friendly, but that's how it works.
> > > > I don't really see how to improve the situation, do you have a
> > > > suggestion?
>
>
>
>
>

Best regards,
g_bor
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bug#39468: Openbox - Calculator does not load

[Scott C. MacCallum via Bug reports for GNU Guix]

"I believe we could do something along these lines:
1. Provide an openbox-minimal and an openbox entry.
2. openbox minimal would do what openbox does right now
3. define a %openbox-recommended-packages list that makes most of it work
4. the openbox entry would append the %openbox-recommended-packages to
the package list."

I like this. It sounds similar to what OpenBSD does after an X install, in that you're given a windows manager that only has a functioning xterm and working system functionality from the menu: shutdown, restart, etc.

Scott
scmguru - irc.freenode.net

Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.

‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
On Friday, February 7, 2020 9:29 AM, Gábor Boskovits <boskovits@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Scott C. MacCallum via Bug reports for GNU Guix bug-guix@gnu.org ezt
> írta (időpont: 2020. febr. 6., Cs, 22:38):
>
> > "I'd like to close your other bugs (39469 to 39474) as I think they all have the same root cause. I'll rename this one Do you agree?"
> > I agree. And I'll stop submitting bugs for the other broken menu items. :)
> > Scott
> > scmguru - irc.freenode.net
> > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
> > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> > On Thursday, February 6, 2020 4:23 PM, Julien Lepiller julien@lepiller.eu wrote:
> >
> > > Le 6 février 2020 16:12:38 GMT-05:00, "Scott C. MacCallum" smaccallum@protonmail.com a écrit :
> > > Please make sure to keep debbugs in CC :)
> > >
> > > > > To be fair, if you installed only the openbox environment, none of
> > > > > the items in the menu would work
> > > >
> > > > I didn't install just an Openbox environment, I installed all of the
> > > > available desktop environments.
> > >
> > > I understand, and the other environments brought other packages with them, which made some of the menu items work.
> > >
> > > > > However, this is not a guix-specific bug, and as an openbox user, I
> > > > > don't expect to have all of these items available.
> > > >
> > > > Perhaps it's not an Guix-specific bug but that's certainly not the case
> > > > with other distros. It was my understanding that Guix wanted to reach
> > > > the widest audience possible, including those not technically inclined.
> > >
> > > OK, though I certainly got locked out of my initial installation on arch linux because I forgot to add xterm for instance, and I'm sure all of these items don't work ootb on debian or other distros.
> > > Maybe having openbox as an initial choice in the installer is a bad idea, or the installer could add these packages. We could also change the openbox package to restrict the quantity of default menu entries to some minimum.
>
> I believe we could do something along these lines:
>
> 1.  Provide an openbox-minimal and an openbox entry.
> 2.  openbox minimal would do what openbox does right now
> 3.  define a %openbox-recommended-packages list that makes most of it work
> 4.  the openbox entry would append the %openbox-recommended-packages to
>     the package list.
>
>     It needs more thought, but I believe this would improve the situation,
>     and having this list would ease
>     setup not only on install. Wdyt?
>
>
> > > I'd like to close your other bugs (39469 to 39474) as I think they all have the same root cause. I'll rename this one Do you agree?
> > >
> > > > > I don't really see how to improve the situation, do you have a
> > > > > suggestion?
> > > >
> > > > I actually don't use Openbox as my default desktop environment. I was
> > > > thinking about others.
> > > > Scott
> > > > scmguru - irc.freenode.net
> > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
> > > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> > > > On Thursday, February 6, 2020 4:03 PM, Julien Lepiller
> > > > julien@lepiller.eu wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Le 6 février 2020 15:39:36 GMT-05:00, "Scott C. MacCallum via Bug
> > > > > reports for GNU Guix" bug-guix@gnu.org a écrit :
> > > > >
> > > > > > After the installation of all the available desktop environments,
> > > > > > in
> > > > >
> > > > > > Openbox from the Accessories menu Calculator does not load.
> > > > > > Scott
> > > > > > scmguru - irc.freenode.net
> > > > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
> > > > >
> > > > > To be fair, if you installed only the openbox environment, none of
> > > > > the items in the menu would work. However, this is not a guix-specific
> > > > > bug, and as an openbox user, I don't expect to have all of these items
> > > > > available. The menu is static and the same in all distros. You're
> > > > > supposed to configure it yourself, which makes it not very user
> > > > > friendly, but that's how it works.
> > > > > I don't really see how to improve the situation, do you have a
> > > > > suggestion?
>
> Best regards,
> g_bor
>
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>
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bug#39468: Openbox - Calculator does not load

[Marius Bakke]

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Gábor Boskovits <boskovits@gmail.com> writes:

> I believe we could do something along these lines:
> 1. Provide an openbox-minimal and an openbox entry.
> 2. openbox minimal would do what openbox does right now
> 3. define a %openbox-recommended-packages list that makes most of it work
> 4. the openbox entry would append the %openbox-recommended-packages to
> the package list.

This sounds like a good idea.  Any volunteers for a patch?

I'm not sure we need openbox-minimal even, most users will probably
tweak %base-packages after installation and choose the set they want.

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bug#39468: Openbox - Calculator does not load

[Scott C. MacCallum via Bug reports for GNU Guix]

> Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 23:19:42 +0100
> From: Marius Bakke mbakke@fastmail.com
> To: Gábor Boskovits boskovits@gmail.com, "Scott C. MacCallum"
>
>     <smaccallum@protonmail.com>
>
>
> Cc: "39468@debbugs.gnu.org" 39468@debbugs.gnu.org
> Subject: bug#39468: Openbox - Calculator does not load
> Message-ID: 87d0am2igx.fsf@devup.no
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Gábor Boskovits boskovits@gmail.com writes:
>
> > I believe we could do something along these lines:
> >
> > 1.  Provide an openbox-minimal and an openbox entry.
> > 2.  openbox minimal would do what openbox does right now
> > 3.  define a %openbox-recommended-packages list that makes most of it work
> > 4.  the openbox entry would append the %openbox-recommended-packages to
> >     the package list.
> >
>
> This sounds like a good idea. Any volunteers for a patch?
>
> I'm not sure we need openbox-minimal even, most users will probably
> tweak %base-packages after installation and choose the set they want.
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I volunteer. Please be patient with me though, this will be my first bug fix. :)

bug#39468: Openbox - Calculator does not load

[Marius Bakke]

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"Scott C. MacCallum" <smaccallum@protonmail.com> writes:

> I volunteer. Please be patient with me though, this will be my first bug fix. :)

Great, thanks!  Drop by #guix on the Freenode IRC network if you want
up-to-the-minute feedback.  :-)

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