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spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of bug-guix-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=bug-guix-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: 0.19 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=lzUWfSx6; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of bug-guix-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=bug-guix-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: C68D28560 X-Spam-Score: 0.19 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: tBdAYcipUXlw Hi, On Thu, 7 Oct 2021 at 18:07, Ludovic Court=C3=A8s wrote: > I guess, in our mind, the problem was fixed long ago. :-) Yes, to me the 2 remaining packages was from but moved already to Gitlab. Whatever, :-) > > As I am asking in this thread [3], the Guix project has the ressource, > > storage speaking, to archive these tarballs -- waiting a robust > > long-term automatic system. But we (the Guix projet) cannot because we > > duplicate the effort on keeping twice all the build outputs. Somehow, > > between Berlin and Bordeaux, coherent policies for conservancy are > > missing. IMHO. > > So I think we=E2=80=99re lucky that we can try different solutions at onc= e. Well, it is not what I am observing. Anyway. :-) > The best solution is the one that won=E2=80=99t rely solely on the Guix p= roject: > SWH + Disarchive. We=E2=80=99re getting there! Yes. Although, it is hard to define "the Guix project". :-) Well, the remaining question is where to set the Disarchive database... but hardware could be floating around once it is ready. ;-) > The second-best solution is to improve our tooling so we can actually > keep source code in a more controlled way. That=E2=80=99s what I had in = mind > with . We have storage space for > that on berlin, but it=E2=80=99s not infinite. If Berlin has space, why so much derivations are missing when running time-machine? Well, aside the implementation that ci.guix.gnu.org fetches from repo every X minutes, i.e., drops all the commits (and the associated derivations) pushed in the meantime. And that bordeaux.guix.gnu.org fetches from guix-commits the commit batch, i.e., builds only one commit of this batch. > Another approach is to use =E2=80=98git-fetch=E2=80=99 more, at least for= non-Autotools > packages (that=E2=80=99s the case for Scotch, for instance.) This is what I suggested when opening this thread [1] more than one year ago. Reading the discussion and keeping in mind the inertia, I do not think it is a viable path. For instance, you know all the pitfalls and you updated Scotch without switching to git-fetch -- no criticism :-) just a realistic matter of facts to have good coverage. > So we can do all these things, and we=E2=80=99ll have to push hard to get= the > Disarchive option past the finish line because it=E2=80=99s the most prom= ising > long-term. Agree. Even, I think it is the only long-term option. :-) All the best, simon