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[85.127.52.93]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m24-20020a170906161800b006d420027b63sm3425806ejd.18.2022.04.03.10.26.11 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 03 Apr 2022 10:26:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9f39252821c630a8ba1064baa2b860f9e7a7a990.camel@gmail.com> From: Liliana Marie Prikler Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2022 19:26:10 +0200 In-Reply-To: <3fc3794df2d837c16ce768594c3ea9086b5f0abf.camel@telenet.be> References: <3fc3794df2d837c16ce768594c3ea9086b5f0abf.camel@telenet.be> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" User-Agent: Evolution 3.42.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-guix@gnu.org List-Id: Bug reports for GNU Guix List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-guix-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "bug-Guix" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1649009096; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding:resent-cc: resent-from:resent-sender:resent-message-id:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=iz4avpkkd0mYhvJo43IxWZoxtlVLleq9SqfdTbw8lp4=; b=IAyMI1PTrjXKrFvAbB4Y/Ns62hWLdjJeDYyGbyY2DQe7yLVbNOXV3qmlykBo1SjLRXiGJJ Vgx81YtxGyB/4DE9jLBdJHQBUWONSq4sAQnpXC6K4+K6zqq/g/G/75ON+eYYoGBOaFwNXj 2dfoOV9XVsd28xzoESBXcdJS2gx5jbT8lh1ClMFxDSB90i9EbmSMT7zobngZOFA7fwBYPC fOjeLiji1B7qpLXs4WBgul1TaSraP4/Gf8QfWUWDh++iLVgttoYCC4+dF3KOpoJb/r8vje IBZQDF9zm8qi3NODpqSjxO8cw/Ko9DORLYDae0XmZGnVYxFnRCZi+RM3k3A2iA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1649009096; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=qk490s5AjSQcr/33nHPM1Wusn8ur7y8/vJ98WBZ4hlJ/9ywajhG3fL1fkNlHrUO/EctXju lJpQxIVYXwawOgvjafMXXC2Gu1vLq1IRf/XzWLdmL7xxffgF0fxJ4GsJpJTYKZi4zkkt2u qk6ngAKEWB9x2d6tbvdyWuOA/F9qiysRpL98nOvFks8wuMnsC7oxYWLbXQ8Mt4fIftuT/N ycOCfhXt+BExPDALgMb2lSmxDbyPtVV3zmZsXiMOSmDEyj0QXsKnterjnYiyIfGL/OyaIk S2QCRBsJBqMk2UUYnXevYDpshOpf4N14U3bZFHDHH3Tyzt2Aq7HBfz6X/4tmLQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=PVHeqzqx; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "bug-guix-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="bug-guix-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: 5.92 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=PVHeqzqx; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "bug-guix-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="bug-guix-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 5D38DF38E X-Spam-Score: 5.92 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: sGH6GTupFO+e Hi Maxime, Am Sonntag, dem 03.04.2022 um 15:09 +0200 schrieb Maxime Devos: > Hi guix, > > fortune-mod currently propagates (in the non-technical sense) various > non-nice things like objectification, misoginy, religious > intolerance, anti-mathematician-ism (?) and date rape.  That is not > an exhaustive list, these are just the first few things I encountered > with "fortune off". Well, the purpose of "fortune off" is to provide offensive "jokes". As such, if you're offended by them, you're kinda getting what you've asked for. If removing them falls under what our CoC states, though, then so be it, I have no horse in this race. More importantly... > There are also a few non-nice things in the non-off set. I think this should be reported upstream. From what I could gather in a short time, upstream appears both active (last commit 18 days ago) and willing to make adjustments for "political correctness" (some two years ago, they removed a lot of blonde jokes, though some simply got demoted to still sexist jokes about women instead, and off is still fair game for those, so...), so I think talking will get us further than one-sided deletion here. > As such, just removing 'off' doesn't seem sufficient.  Unless > someone™ volunteers to remove the anti-fortunes (*), I would just > remove 'fortune-mod', given that it seems to serve no practical > purpose beyond being non-nice.  WDYT? I don't think practical purpose is a bar we can set. What should we do with all of the Rust ecosystem otherwise? (For Rust fans, who were offended by the above, consider collecting this and other quotes from yours truly in a new offensive/rust file and we can both be happy.) As for being non-nice on purpose, I disagree. It's rather a shame if the supposedly inoffensive set is still offensive. And if lack of humor is a concern, "A nuclear war can ruin your whole day." from politics sounds just about fine to me :) Cheers