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We could transparently upgrade to daikichi, but that'd just say "no fortunes found" because FORTUNE_PATH will be empty. Other options would include a metapackage (also rejected by Maxime) or providing a dummy fortune-mod package that fails at build with a helpful message and is disabled in CI (came up as a shower thought). Cheers