From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: George Clemmer Subject: bug#31786: 'pre-inst-env guix --version' is not updated by new commits" Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2018 21:35:29 -0400 Message-ID: <87zhzvh5su.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87r2lddwyg.fsf@gmail.com> <87k1r4p2ca.fsf@gnu.org> <87k1r3271g.fsf@gmail.com> <87d0wvoicy.fsf@gnu.org> <87o9gf5x0t.fsf@gmail.com> <87wov3npl2.fsf@gnu.org> <20180614013938.GD29167@jasmine.lan> <87d0wttn0v.fsf@gmail.com> <87k1r1z5o0.fsf@gnu.org> <8736xnj22c.fsf@gmail.com> <87po0r674z.fsf@elephly.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51334) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fU08L-0003Ot-9F for bug-guix@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2018 21:36:06 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fU08I-0007Uy-4y for bug-guix@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2018 21:36:05 -0400 Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:42857) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fU08I-0007UY-1F for bug-guix@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2018 21:36:02 -0400 Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fU08H-0000PL-Pf for bug-guix@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2018 21:36:01 -0400 Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-Message-ID: In-reply-to: <87po0r674z.fsf@elephly.net> List-Id: Bug reports for GNU Guix List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-guix-bounces+gcggb-bug-guix=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "bug-Guix" To: Ricardo Wurmus Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?Cl=C3=A9ment?= Lassieur , 31786@debbugs.gnu.org Ricardo Wurmus writes: > Hi George, > >> The current doc reflects the needs and sensibilities of the hackers, >> maintainers, and sysops that have built Guix. These "elite" users have >> different needs and judge what is important quite differently from end >> users. This guarantees that the current doc is inadequate for end users. >> So, if, as you say, you want to make Guix accessible to end users, you >> need to make changes in the doc. The questions: How? What? > [=E2=80=A6] >> I said: I use 'pre-inst-env guix' this way and this is a bug. > > =E2=80=9Cpre-inst-env=E2=80=9D really should not be used by people other = than > developers. It is only available when building Guix from a clone of the > git repository. > > We do not recommend =E2=80=9Cpre-inst-env=E2=80=9D for any other purpose = than to make > changes to the code, so I would not like to document the quirks and > limitations of =E2=80=9Cpre-inst-env=E2=80=9D in the manual, as this is n= ot how Guix is > supposed to be used generally. > >> Proposed (revised) footnote: >> >> (3) The Guix version in the Guix build is set by './bootstrap'. Thus, >> the version reported by './pre-inst-env guix --version' is not updated >> by subsequent 'git pull; make' steps. To update the version (and rebuild >> everything), use 'git clean -dfx; ./bootstrap; ./configure; make'. > > I=E2=80=99m wary of adding this for similar reasons that Ludo wrote earli= er. In > my opinion this ends up cluttering the manual with notes and what I > consider to be only tangentially relevant for readers of the manual. Hi Ricardo, Please read further down the original post. I think you will find that I already addressed your points. Collectively, the responses here bring to mind a Harvard Business School case study I was taught in 1983. The gist of it: Bakers at Holsum Bread told a salesman that they had figured out how to run his company's bread making machine at twice the design speed. Because this was twice as fast as the competitor's machine, they wanted to place a big order for more machines. When the salesman told the company engineer about the order he said, "You can't sell any more machines to Holsum because they aren't using my machine properly!" - George