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aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=gnu.org header.s=fencepost-gnu-org header.b=SeSoUK7R; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "bug-guix-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="bug-guix-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.35 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=gnu.org header.s=fencepost-gnu-org header.b=SeSoUK7R; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "bug-guix-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="bug-guix-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 8C13BE2FA X-Spam-Score: -2.35 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: ke08RuH9MRJy Hi, Maxim Cournoyer skribis: > I lost track of the details -- is this problem still likely to bite us > in the future, or was something committed to mitigate against it? =E2=80=9CTime bombs=E2=80=9D are the worst of non-reproducibility bugs beca= use (1) we don=E2=80=99t have workarounds other than changing the system time on the machine that performs the build, and (2) we currently lack a way to detect them. In this thread, Chris and I proposed addressing #2 by offering ways to automatically or manually run builds =E2=80=9Cin the future=E2=80=9D=C2=B9.= We could actually similarly address #1 by running builds =E2=80=9Cin the past=E2=80=9D. In any case, the first step is probably to offer a VM service for Guix System, similar to childhurd, with an option to specify the starting time. So we=E2=80=99re not done yet, but the discussion has drifted beyond the original GnuTLS bug report, so perhaps we can close it and take it elsewhere? Thanks, Ludo=E2=80=99. =C2=B9 QEMU can be passed an option like =E2=80=9C-rtc base=3D2020-01-01=E2= =80=9D.