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From: Tobias Geerinckx-Rice via Bug reports for GNU Guix <bug-guix@gnu.org>
To: Maxim Cournoyer <maxim.cournoyer@gmail.com>
Cc: 56799@debbugs.gnu.org, attila@lendvai.name
Subject: bug#56799: (gnu services configuration) usage of *unspecified* is problematic
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2022 20:45:19 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87wnbypepu@nckx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87fsim8l17.fsf@gmail.com>

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Hi Maxim,

Maxim Cournoyer 写道:
> For some background reading, see [0].

Thanks for the well-thought-out reply, and sharing this 
interesting link!

Now, it's just the musings of one person, but now I think I do 
agree with (what I think is) the underlying vision: to hush up 
*unspecified* and sneakily replace it with true nothingness.  OK, 
I can live with that.  :-)

> I think the semantic of the language is that it is to be used as 
> the
> lack of a return value from a procedure or syntax, e.g.:
>
> (unspecified? (if #f 'one-arm-if)) -> #t

Well… in the above context I'd hesitate to even imply ‘semantics’. 
It's like undefined behaviour in C.  Ascribe it meaning at your 
peril.  Otherwise, point taken.

> Having 'unspecified?' even defined in Guile seems to go against 
> that
> idea; perhaps because Wingo themselves seems to disagree in [0].

Agreed.  *This* was one of my reasons for supporting (field 
*unspecified*), so it's nice to have it validated, even if it is 
rejected.

> I'm also thinking 'unspecified being too close to *unspecified* 
> is
> probably going to cause confusion down the line.  Reverting to 
> the
> originally used 'disabled may be the lesser evil.

Ah, here I can concentrate all my previous disagreement: hell no 
:-)

It is the worstest evil; literally anything is better than 
(enable-foo? 'disabled) defaulting to #t.

Bikeshed this all y'all want, but 'default or 'unset or 'whatever 
are miles better.

Kind regards,

T G-R

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  reply	other threads:[~2022-07-27 18:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-07-27 16:23 bug#56799: (gnu services configuration) usage of *unspecified* is problematic Maxim Cournoyer
2022-07-27 16:43 ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice via Bug reports for GNU Guix
2022-07-27 18:27   ` Attila Lendvai
2022-07-28 15:15     ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-07-27 18:31   ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-07-27 18:45     ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice via Bug reports for GNU Guix [this message]
2022-07-27 19:09       ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-07-27 19:45         ` bug#56799: [PATCH] services: configuration: Step back from *unspecified* Maxim Cournoyer
2022-07-27 19:46         ` bug#56799: (gnu services configuration) usage of *unspecified* is problematic Maxim Cournoyer
2022-07-27 20:20           ` bug#56799: [PATCH v2] gexp: Handle *unspecified* as a gexp input Maxim Cournoyer
2022-07-27 21:43             ` Maxime Devos
2022-07-28 14:58               ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-07-28  4:41           ` bug#56799: [PATCH v3] " Maxim Cournoyer
2022-08-01  5:08             ` bug#56799: (gnu services configuration) usage of *unspecified* is problematic Maxim Cournoyer
2022-08-01 10:00               ` Maxime Devos
2022-08-01 12:46                 ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-08-01 13:44             ` Ludovic Courtès
2022-08-01 16:55       ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-07-28  4:55     ` bokr
2022-07-28 10:26       ` Maxime Devos
2022-07-28 15:09         ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-08-01 13:49 ` Ludovic Courtès
2022-08-01 15:55   ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-08-02  7:31     ` Ludovic Courtès
2022-08-02  8:45       ` bokr
2022-08-02 15:06       ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-08-04 12:19         ` Ludovic Courtès
2022-08-07 22:44           ` Ludovic Courtès
2022-08-08 22:27           ` Attila Lendvai
2022-08-08 23:35             ` Attila Lendvai
2022-08-10  2:17               ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-08-10  3:26             ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-08-11 10:15               ` Attila Lendvai
2022-08-13  6:31                 ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-08-13 16:47                   ` Attila Lendvai
2022-08-14  2:57                     ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-08-16 14:00                       ` Attila Lendvai
2022-08-17 13:16                         ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-08-17 16:00                           ` paren--- via Bug reports for GNU Guix
2022-08-10  0:43           ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-08-24 12:40 ` bug#56799: [PATCH 1/5] services: configuration: Add a 'maybe-value-set?' procedure Attila Lendvai
2022-08-24 12:40   ` bug#56799: [PATCH 2/5] services: configuration: Add %unset-value exported variable Attila Lendvai
2022-08-24 12:40   ` bug#56799: [PATCH 3/5] services: configuration: Add maybe-value exported procedure Attila Lendvai
2022-08-24 12:40   ` bug#56799: [PATCH 4/5] services: Use the new maybe/unset API Attila Lendvai
2022-08-25  4:18     ` bug#56799: (gnu services configuration) usage of *unspecified* is problematic Maxim Cournoyer
2022-08-24 12:40   ` bug#56799: [PATCH 5/5] services: configuration: Change the value of the unset marker Attila Lendvai
2022-08-25  4:14     ` bug#56799: (gnu services configuration) usage of *unspecified* is problematic Maxim Cournoyer

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