From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Mark H Weaver Subject: bug#27264: gnome-shell-3.24.2 consistently dies during initialization Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2017 10:01:56 -0400 Message-ID: <87vao6poh7.fsf@netris.org> References: <87o9u13e4i.fsf@netris.org> <8760g8t769.fsf@gnu.org> <87shjbwjdc.fsf@netris.org> <87ink6zo19.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55754) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dIy1i-000204-RT for bug-guix@gnu.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2017 10:03:12 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dIy1d-0002at-Vf for bug-guix@gnu.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2017 10:03:06 -0400 Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:60740) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dIy1d-0002aj-S8 for bug-guix@gnu.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2017 10:03:01 -0400 Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dIy1d-0007HI-KK for bug-guix@gnu.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2017 10:03:01 -0400 Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <87ink6zo19.fsf@gnu.org> ("Ludovic \=\?utf-8\?Q\?Court\=C3\=A8s\=22'\?\= \=\?utf-8\?Q\?s\?\= message of "Thu, 08 Jun 2017 14:01:22 +0200") List-Id: Bug reports for GNU Guix List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-guix-bounces+gcggb-bug-guix=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "bug-Guix" To: Ludovic =?UTF-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?= Cc: 27264@debbugs.gnu.org Hi Ludovic, ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic Court=C3=A8s) writes: > Hi Mark, > > Mark H Weaver skribis: > >> I have a question: Does GNOME 3 work for *anyone* in Guix now? If so, >> that would be useful information. If not, I wonder why this got merged >> into master. > > I think many of us use GTK+/GNOME applications, but fewer use GNOME, so > I suppose we just didn=E2=80=99t test a full GNOME setup. > > Next time we should probably do that or, even better, have an automated > test that logs in, takes a screenshot, and does some OCR to check > whether we got something that looks like a GNOME screen. I think this is unacceptable. The test you propose above is no where near adequate to assure that the updated desktop environment is usable for real work. I'm annoyed that I've been forced to either use a different desktop environment in the meantime or else sacrifice security updates. I would never consider pushing such a major update to master without testing it first. I'm astonished that anyone thinks that this is acceptable behavior. I'm sorry to be harsh, but I feel justified to air my grievances because I believe this is the kind of event that will cause GNOME users to label GuixSD an experimental distribution that's not suitable for one's primary work machine, but are too polite to complain. Let me be the canary in the coal mine. While it's true that users can boot into an older generation of their system in an emergency, and that's a *great* comfort, in general it's not an acceptable fallback because it entails sacrificing security updates. I'm concerned that our fallback feature has caused people to become quite careless with breaking things on our master branch. Thanks, Mark