From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Kei Kebreau Subject: bug#27264: gnome-shell-3.24.2 consistently dies during initialization Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2017 08:35:40 -0400 Message-ID: <87tw3qejxf.fsf@openmailbox.org> References: <87o9u13e4i.fsf@netris.org> <8760g8t769.fsf@gnu.org> <87shjbwjdc.fsf@netris.org> <8760g7nhhx.fsf@fastmail.com> <878tl3q9g1.fsf@netris.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:57519) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dIwfT-0001ot-ND for bug-guix@gnu.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2017 08:36:09 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dIwfS-00019D-JI for bug-guix@gnu.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2017 08:36:03 -0400 Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:59770) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dIwfS-000196-8D for bug-guix@gnu.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2017 08:36:02 -0400 Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dIwfS-00051Q-06 for bug-guix@gnu.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2017 08:36:02 -0400 Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <878tl3q9g1.fsf@netris.org> (Mark H. Weaver's message of "Thu, 08 Jun 2017 02:29:02 -0400") List-Id: Bug reports for GNU Guix List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-guix-bounces+gcggb-bug-guix=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "bug-Guix" To: Mark H Weaver Cc: 27264@debbugs.gnu.org --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Mark H Weaver writes: > Marius Bakke writes: > >> Mark H Weaver writes: >> >>> I have a question: Does GNOME 3 work for *anyone* in Guix now? If so, >>> that would be useful information. If not, I wonder why this got merged >>> into master. >> >> I'm sorry, I don't actually use GNOME and should have tested it before >> pushing. I have been busy lately and didn't want to hold up the branch. > > In the future, I think that pushing an updated desktop environment to > master should only be performed by someone who is able and willing to > test it. Modern desktop environments are quite complex, and many things > can go wrong even if the code compiles. > I had intended to test GNOME as a whole before having it pushed to master, but the speed of my hardware is an impediment to updating the packages in a timely fashion. I'd be more than willing to take up learning how GNOME works and maintenance of the GNOME packages, but things will take longer (though that's certainly more tolerable than a broken GNOME desktop). >> It would be good to have a system test for GNOME and other DEs so we can >> catch these problems earlier. > > I agree that it would be good to have this, but it would require a > massive effort to produce a sufficiently comprehensive test suite to > render manual testing unnecessary. In the meantime, automated testing > is not an adequate substitute for user testing. To my mind, only > someone who actually uses the DE in question to do real work will be > able to meaningfully judge the result as usable. > >> I'll try to help fixing this later today, but feel free to revert the >> updates meanwhile. > > GNOME contains a great many components, and I don't fully understand > their interdependencies. It's not something that can be easily > reverted. > > Mark --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEg7ZwOtzKO2lLzi2m5qXuPBlGeg0FAlk5RJwACgkQ5qXuPBlG eg2/Sw/9FtrdJObggiA8QBeExO8jZ9hvWsYvWsI9IEBvrRY3mgctUorpIjEr7QQH /JwfXwBI73ubACbFiLMiGy0Xr6E5ABkWRH+o2i++Acz3ZCH3Ep02xgF2BAFMjEPs AI6mjt1PF3C0F5XxqsyKA+aLIUskPWBDbeIDaATpy8c4KFF+BJkp03DozX3IxBiJ KCM+K16B3OCJYltbLJtnAT2IvPrbVzCEj0LqHaSo5x5rTEU6jllZKBGFRJ51l52z 8xLI17S3eb+xn3/8GIFt6fnnIIOG43qNTj7AW19PCC9edWZyOgE3eCBhUZcH+EXU Rc8/N2MDrkHDjdMu4h0/UkQQLNnAdLH5kaXT9oPsMc4E85un2iZxnQ/EdBwNPco5 5uLUTWWcCrC3ddp0FYbk4LJgNBU/3fm0pxJ1eynjWPoPOYS7OuloMpvwMPmMpDy2 6C5Z1qVLNxQHLqgcuXbVWOQDWjausmasTrR8NNRE5jSnMty4ramuB2950UF2z5Du Kr+hknbWUIYqhX5X0ulfImS7JBPr0rvdfRsZ3x5Dd/tx/7JxRR53VSufgzM+1R9v dAUiRKjWlyuNKDSuPgeYiKyYR/pz1cNAIiu632qVMR019z2gBd4Hm4hhgwLcSB9L rmWkK1dIINvFc8wsBNcP7pj+1kcjmFF3wvHixU7GtXzwD5IEszw= =Z+cT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--