From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp2 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id UE0MJLSNW1/hRQAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 14:46:12 +0000 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp2 with LMTPS id xKJPHrSNW19WIgAAB5/wlQ (envelope-from ) for ; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 14:46:12 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 25690940366 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 14:46:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:39714 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGkJV-0003KP-TF for larch@yhetil.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 10:46:09 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:59512) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGkJO-0003K9-LS for bug-guix@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 10:46:02 -0400 Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:33525) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGkJO-0006uD-Cd for bug-guix@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 10:46:02 -0400 Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kGkJO-0005BU-BU for bug-guix@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 10:46:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43075: Prioritize providing substitutes for security-critical packages with potentially long build times Resent-From: Ludovic =?UTF-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?= Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-guix@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 14:46:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43075 X-GNU-PR-Package: guix X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: zimoun Received: via spool by 43075-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43075.159983551817403 (code B ref 43075); Fri, 11 Sep 2020 14:46:02 +0000 Received: (at 43075) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Sep 2020 14:45:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45071 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kGkIg-0004WN-58 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 10:45:18 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:55356) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kGkIe-0004P3-5f for 43075@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 10:45:16 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:40274) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGkIY-0006eq-GF; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 10:45:10 -0400 Received: from [2a01:e0a:1d:7270:af76:b9b:ca24:c465] (port=39308 helo=ribbon) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kGkIX-0003jM-OA; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 10:45:10 -0400 From: Ludovic =?UTF-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?= References: <2WPQFQ.3JQYOGZG7WXZ@riseup.net> <87bliejc3j.fsf@gnu.org> <878sdg7qej.fsf@gnu.org> X-URL: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ X-Revolutionary-Date: 26 Fructidor an 228 de la =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=A9volution?= X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x090B11993D9AEBB5 X-PGP-Key: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ludovic.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3CE4 6455 8A84 FDC6 9DB4 0CFB 090B 1199 3D9A EBB5 X-OS: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 16:45:02 +0200 In-Reply-To: (zimoun's message of "Fri, 11 Sep 2020 09:37:59 +0200") Message-ID: <87tuw4tlsh.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) X-BeenThere: bug-guix@gnu.org List-Id: Bug reports for GNU Guix List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: 43075@debbugs.gnu.org, chaosmonk Errors-To: bug-guix-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "bug-Guix" X-Scanner: scn0 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of bug-guix-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=bug-guix-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.01 X-TUID: HmdJgqX0Gri+ Hi, zimoun skribis: > On Fri, 11 Sep 2020 at 08:56, Ludovic Court=C3=A8s wrote: > >> > The recent updates of ungoogled-chromium do not mention [security >> > updates]. Well, I do not know if they are. So the question would be: >> > what triggers the special security build? >> >> To me the proposal is more about introducing scheduling priorities. For >> these packages, it=E2=80=99s indeed safe to assume that every new releas= e brings >> security fixes. > > Why would some packages be prioritized on the build farm than others? > Based on what? Which criteria? > Popularity? But we do not measure (yet?) how many times a substitute > is downloaded. > For example, I do not use ungoogled-chromium so I would prefer that > the resources of the build farm would be spent on these X packages. > Bob and Alice, they would prefer these Y packages. How do we reach a > consensus? > And security is one criteria. But how to detect it is a security fix? > > (Aside the issue of ungoogled-chromium about the time limit you > described; which should be fixed, obviously. :-)) All we=E2=80=99re saying is that for some packages, we should always assume= that new releases bring security fixes. These are key packages like Linux-libre, IceCat, ungoogled-chromium, etc. Furthermore, ungoogled-chromium is practically not buildable on one=E2=80= =99s laptop, and thus it=E2=80=99s even more important to provide substitutes. For now, the focus should be on improving overall build throughput since there=E2=80=99s a lot of room for improvement. Ludo=E2=80=99.