From: Marius Bakke <mbakke@fastmail.com>
To: Leo Famulari <leo@famulari.name>, Mark H Weaver <mhw@netris.org>
Cc: 27264@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#27264: gnome-shell-3.24.2 consistently dies during initialization
Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2017 19:19:03 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87poeemm7s.fsf@fastmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170608170842.GB27164@jasmine>
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Leo Famulari <leo@famulari.name> writes:
>> While it's true that users can boot into an older generation of their
>> system in an emergency, and that's a *great* comfort, in general it's
>> not an acceptable fallback because it entails sacrificing security
>> updates. I'm concerned that our fallback feature has caused people to
>> become quite careless with breaking things on our master branch.
>
> It's true, we could not even think of pushing untested or lightly-tested
> changes if we couldn't roll-back.
>
> But, if we want to 1) receive updates to big software suites like GNOME,
> and we want to 2) avoid breakage on the master branch, we *need* more
> testers.
>
> As somebody who has helped with a few of these branches so far, the lack
> of assistance with testing and bug fixes is a major problem. I rarely
> feel as confident as I'd like before pushing the merge. More than once
> I've merged a major branch with the impression that only myself and 1 or
> 2 other people have actually deployed it on their workstation or in a
> staging environment that precedes production.
>
> There is a large number of contributors adding new packages or working
> on features, but almost nobody helps test big changes or other boring
> and tedious maintenance tasks. So, those things suffer, and we end up
> testing on the master branch. I don't have any potential solutions in
> mind. As we are mostly volunteers with limited time and computing
> resources, we can only do so much.
I think the planned 'channels' facility will help a lot here. Then, we
might be able to say something like "please try to `guix pull --channel
staging` and report any failures" which lowers the barrier considerably.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-06-08 17:20 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-06-06 4:59 bug#27264: gnome-shell-3.24.2 consistently dies during initialization Mark H Weaver
2017-06-07 10:37 ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-06-07 13:15 ` Roel Janssen
2017-06-07 21:58 ` Mark H Weaver
2017-06-08 6:03 ` Marius Bakke
2017-06-08 6:29 ` Mark H Weaver
2017-06-08 12:35 ` Kei Kebreau
2017-06-08 16:13 ` Marius Bakke
2017-06-08 16:29 ` Marius Bakke
2017-06-09 6:23 ` Chris Marusich
2017-06-09 7:02 ` Mark H Weaver
2017-06-08 7:39 ` Ben Sturmfels
2017-06-08 6:48 ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2017-06-08 12:01 ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-06-08 12:23 ` Kei Kebreau
2017-06-08 13:09 ` Roel Janssen
2017-06-08 18:08 ` Roel Janssen
2017-06-08 18:34 ` Kei Kebreau
2017-06-08 14:01 ` Mark H Weaver
2017-06-08 14:54 ` Chris Marusich
2017-06-08 17:08 ` Leo Famulari
2017-06-08 17:19 ` Marius Bakke [this message]
2017-06-08 17:29 ` Catonano
2017-06-08 17:45 ` Leo Famulari
2017-06-08 18:12 ` Leo Famulari
2017-06-08 20:47 ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-06-11 8:57 ` Mark H Weaver
2017-06-11 13:16 ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-06-08 14:20 ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
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