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From bug#43442 [1] on Wed, 16 Sep 2020, > Scotch was not missing. And from [2] neither. > > Nah, the hole is the (double) update (from 6.0.6 to 6.1.0 then 6.1.1) > without manually taking care of this bug report; by switching from > url-fetch to git-fetch for instance. Somehow, it was bounded to happen > because we lack automatic tools despite the fact they are there. > > Indeed, hard to believe. :-) I guess, in our mind, the problem was fixed long ago. :-) > As I am asking in this thread [3], the Guix project has the ressource, > storage speaking, to archive these tarballs -- waiting a robust > long-term automatic system. But we (the Guix projet) cannot because we > duplicate the effort on keeping twice all the build outputs. Somehow, > between Berlin and Bordeaux, coherent policies for conservancy are > missing. IMHO. So I think we=E2=80=99re lucky that we can try different solutions at once. The best solution is the one that won=E2=80=99t rely solely on the Guix pro= ject: SWH + Disarchive. We=E2=80=99re getting there! The second-best solution is to improve our tooling so we can actually keep source code in a more controlled way. That=E2=80=99s what I had in mi= nd with . We have storage space for that on berlin, but it=E2=80=99s not infinite. Another approach is to use =E2=80=98git-fetch=E2=80=99 more, at least for n= on-Autotools packages (that=E2=80=99s the case for Scotch, for instance.) So we can do all these things, and we=E2=80=99ll have to push hard to get t= he Disarchive option past the finish line because it=E2=80=99s the most promis= ing long-term. Thanks, Ludo=E2=80=99.