From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Mathieu Lirzin Subject: bug#25296: fully functional desktop installation Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2018 14:26:58 +0100 Message-ID: <87lggzdzh9.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20161229171045.263747a9@riseup.net> <87bmvpb21m.fsf@gnu.org> <87a7xgwom7.fsf@gnu.org> <87shb8jedn.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:47298) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eb4o2-0000FE-RC for bug-guix@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jan 2018 08:28:07 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eb4ny-0002Ch-NK for bug-guix@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jan 2018 08:28:06 -0500 Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:48883) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eb4ny-0002Cd-JC for bug-guix@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jan 2018 08:28:02 -0500 Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eb4ny-0004if-Aw for bug-guix@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jan 2018 08:28:02 -0500 Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <87shb8jedn.fsf@gnu.org> ("Ludovic \=\?utf-8\?Q\?Court\=C3\=A8s\=22'\?\= \=\?utf-8\?Q\?s\?\= message of "Sun, 14 Jan 2018 22:53:56 +0100") List-Id: Bug reports for GNU Guix List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-guix-bounces+gcggb-bug-guix=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "bug-Guix" To: Ludovic =?UTF-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?= Cc: 25296@debbugs.gnu.org Hello, ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic Court=C3=A8s) writes: > Mathieu Lirzin skribis: > >> ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic Court=C3=A8s) writes: >> >>> Quiliro skribis: >>> >>>> It would be nice to create a desktop.scm file that contains all >>>> necessary packages to have a fully functional desktop installation for >>>> the end user. It is for that user that only uses the machine to write >>>> and read emails, create and read text documents and spreadsheets too. I >>>> know the current desktop.scm contain some of those features and that >>>> after that >>>> guix package --install pidgin libreoffice icecat clawsmail >>>> (and so) can provide the necessary packages. But I would like to make >>>> an installation that is just as trisquel is. It is not necessary to >>>> have the same configuration or the same packages. But it would be >>>> useful to have it as easy to just use as is Trisquel. >>> >>> The desktop example contains all of GNOME, when choosing GNOME, which >>> provides an email client, Web browser, and lots of other things. >>> >>> Additional packages like those you mention could be added to the >>> =E2=80=98packages=E2=80=99 field, in which case they will be installed = globally, like >>> the rest of GNOME. >>> >>> I wouldn=E2=80=99t recommend adding those 4 packages you mention by def= ault >>> though, because it=E2=80=99s really a matter of choice (and it=E2=80=99= s redundant with >>> what GNOME provides, I think.) >> >> I think your remark applies to pidgin and clawsmail but not to >> Libreoffice and Icecat (Firefox) which are commonly installed OOTB by >> mainstream distros (Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora) along with the GNOME >> desktop. > > I=E2=80=99m not sure what we could do, though. Should the desktop example > include a comment like =E2=80=9CUncomment the following lines to add Libr= eOffice > & co.=E2=80=9D? IMHO Guix should mimic what Debian is doing in this particular case. Meaning having desktop packages that contain a =E2=80=9Cfull=E2=80=9D deskt= op with default applications for common usages. This would consist in adding =E2=80=98libreoffice=E2=80=99 and replacing = =E2=80=98epiphany=E2=80=99 with =E2=80=98icecat=E2=80=99 in the =E2=80=98gnome=E2=80=99 package. Additiona= lly a =E2=80=98gnome-core=E2=80=99 package (or =E2=80=98gnome-minimal=E2=80=99 which seems to be the name convention c= hosen by Guix) could be created with the minimal set of packages required to have a working GNOME desktop, for OCD people that don't like having unused packages installed. > This is something that the ncurses interface should make more > discoverable. That could be a solution. However even if the current target audience of Guix(SD) are tinkerer who may like options, I don't think this approach scales well to a broader audience. Thanks. --=20 Mathieu Lirzin GPG: F2A3 8D7E EB2B 6640 5761 070D 0ADE E100 9460 4D37