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We made the choice to provide a guided installer, similar to that of Debian and other distros, such that users don=E2=80=99t = have to figure out by themselves that they need to run gparted, follow steps, etc. > Thats what im requesting not what is currently happening. > >> Did you try the live VM image? >> >> https://guix.gnu.org/en/download/ > > What? where? Search for =E2=80=9CQEMU=E2=80=9D. >> I=E2=80=99m closing because I don=E2=80=99t see anything actionable. Pl= ease file issues >> focused on specific problems. > > Guix need to improve itself when first time initiated, Please check > other projects like NixOS,Triskel,Mint,Ubuntu...etc I contributed to NixOS long ago, and unless things have changed, it doesn=E2=80=99t have a guided installer. > If you dont like that live graphical gui access, then do it as debian > is doing it which give you proper gui screen specifically intended to=20 > configure your internet then you can proceed with the installation. So I guess your primary request is about giving access to the GUIs. That comes at a cost (the ISO is already quite big) but that=E2=80=99s some= thing we could consider. For now, our focus is on improving the guided installer itself. Thanks, Ludo=E2=80=99.