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From: Andy Wingo <wingo@igalia.com>
To: Mark H Weaver <mhw@netris.org>
Cc: 28211@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#28211: Stack marking issue in multi-threaded code
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2018 12:12:52 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87d0w7l0wr.fsf@igalia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87tvpkrlm8.fsf@netris.org> (Mark H. Weaver's message of "Sat, 30 Jun 2018 17:49:03 -0400")

Hi!

First of all, I said on IRC but: ___nice___ debugging, Ludo!  An
impressive show of persistence.  Thanks Mark also for insightful
comments!

On Sat 30 Jun 2018 23:49, Mark H Weaver <mhw@netris.org> writes:

>>> I should say that I'm not confident that _either_ of these proposed
>>> solutions will adequately address all of the possible problems that
>>> could occur when GC is performed on VM threads stopped at arbitrary
>>> points in their execution.
>>
>> Yeah, as discussed on IRC with Andy, we’d be better off if we were sure
>> that each stack is marked by the thread it belongs to, in terms of data
>> locality, and thus also in terms of being sure that vp->fp is up-to-date
>> when the marker reads it.  It’s not something we can change now, though.
>
> I'm not sure it matters what thread the marking is done in, because when
> the actual collection happens, all threads are first stopped in their
> signal handlers, and presumably the appropriate memory barriers are
> performed so that all threads are synchronized before the full
> collection.

I think you are right here.  Still, it would be nice from a locality
POV if threads could mark themselves.  In some future I think it would
be nice if threads cooperatively reached safepoints, instead of using
the signal mechanism.  In that case we could precisely mark the most
recent stack frame as well.

>> Anyway, I don’t think we’ll have the final word on all this before
>> 2.2.4.  The way I see it we should keep working on improving it, but
>> there are difficult choices to make, so it will probably take a bit of
>> time.
>
> Sounds good.

Yeah!  Really great that this is fixed, and apologies for introducing it
in the first place!!

A

  reply	other threads:[~2018-07-01 10:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-08-23 22:20 bug#28211: Grafting code triggers GC/thread-safety issue on Guile 2.2.2 Ludovic Courtès
2017-08-23 22:48 ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-04-24 16:03 ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-05-08 21:55   ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-05-09  0:32     ` Mark H Weaver
2018-05-09  7:17       ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-05-09  9:11       ` Andy Wingo
2018-05-10  6:50         ` Mark H Weaver
2018-05-10  7:53           ` Andy Wingo
2018-06-29 15:03             ` bug#28211: Stack marking issue in multi-threaded code Ludovic Courtès
2018-06-29 16:54               ` Mark H Weaver
2018-06-29 21:18                 ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-06-29 23:18                   ` Mark H Weaver
2018-06-30 20:53                     ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-06-30 21:49                       ` Mark H Weaver
2018-07-01 10:12                         ` Andy Wingo [this message]
2018-07-03 19:01                           ` Mark H Weaver
2020-03-12 21:59               ` bug#28211: Stack marking issue in multi-threaded code, 2020 edition Ludovic Courtès
2020-03-13 22:38                 ` Ludovic Courtès
2020-03-17 21:16                 ` Andy Wingo
2018-05-10 15:48     ` bug#28211: Grafting code triggers GC/thread-safety issue on Guile 2.2.2 Mark H Weaver
2018-05-10 16:01       ` Mark H Weaver
2018-07-02 10:28 ` Ludovic Courtès

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