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I didn't receive your email (I did this reply from Emacs debbugs package). Please include my email address in further messages to mitigate the risk that I miss them. I continue below: On 06/15/21 09:49 , Leo Famulari wrote: > Chromium is a program that is meant to be "evergreen". Version > numbers are not highlighted to the user and the software is supposed > to update itself, quickly and often. It's like a "rolling release" > just for that program. > A variant of the package that blocks communication to Google and > requires one of us to update it is, if you trust the Chromium team, > categorically less up-to-date than a "normal Chromium" downloaded > directly from chromium.org, and thus also less "secure", as you've seen. > I don't know exactly how the "disable malware extensions" mechanism > works, but it's likely that the "ungoogling" disables the possibility > that it can happen quickly, outside of full program updates. > > It's a tradeoff we (have to?) make to offer a variant of Chromium that > is judged acceptable by us under the Free System Distribution > Guidelines, which Guix follows: I can accept a reasonable trade-off, but I still believe this should be actively communicated to users. It is not obvious. If had known that before, I would certainly have been more careful with extensions. Indeed, now that I know, I have not only deleted my old (ungoogled-)Chromium profile, but also, on the new profile, I installed only HTTPS Everywhere and Privacy Badger extensions. I have also changed an important password that I remember having used on the malware-infected Chromium. > By the way, the Debian testing branch is the last to receive security > updates, and in general has no guarantee of fast security updates. If > you want to use a Debian with more up-to-date software than the stable > branch and also are concerned about your security, you might consider > using Debian sid. Thank you for the advice. I already knew that though, and I think the security risk of Debian testing is mitigated by my care. I have installed and configured debsecan. It emails be about Debian vulnerabilities, and then, in aptitude, I manually pull important security updates from Debian unstable (sid). That is a bit time-consuming, but I fear that going full unstable would be too unreliable (more breakages) and would remove the option of settling in stable without reinstalling. I mean, since my sources.list refers to bullseye, then, when it becomes stable, I will have Debian stable and will have a choice whether (and when) to upgrade to the new testing (bookworm). Regards! -- - https://stallmansupport.org "In Support of Richard Stallman" - If an email of mine arrives at your spam box, please notify me. - Please adopt free/libre formats like PDF, ODF, Org, LaTeX, Opus, WebM and 7z. - Free/libre software for Replicant, LineageOS and Android: https://f-droid.org - https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html "What is free software?"