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* bug#56661: EMACSLOADPATH not set when using Guix System + Guix Home + SLIM + Mate
@ 2022-07-20 10:45 Maxime Devos
  2022-07-20 10:59 ` bug#56661: EMACSLOADPATH not set when using Guix System + Guix Home + SDDM " Maxime Devos
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  0 siblings, 4 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Maxime Devos @ 2022-07-20 10:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 56661


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Hi,

(the SLIM + Mate might be irrelevant, untested)

I am using Guix System and Guix Home. In Guix Home, I've added the 
"emacs" and "emacs-magit" packages (and some others):

> (home-environment
>   (packages
>     (specifications->packages
>       (list "git" "irssi" "evolution" "openssh" "gnupg" "htop"
>             "bash" "coreutils" "bash-completion"
>             "emacs" "emacs-magit" "emacs-paredit"
>             "icedove" "gnunet" "seahorse" #;"icedove-wayland")))
>   (services
>     (list (service
>             home-bash-service-type
>             (home-bash-configuration
>               (aliases
>                 '(("grep" . "grep --color=auto")
>                   ("ll" . "ls -l")
>                   ("ls" . "ls -p --color=auto")))
>               (bashrc
>                 (list (local-file ".bashrc" "bashrc")))
>               (bash-profile
>                 (list (local-file
>                         ".bash_profile"
>                         "bash_profile"))))))))

For completeness, here is the .bash_profile and .bashrc (unmodified from 
base installation, except for removing a redundant alias):

> # Honor per-interactive-shell startup file
> if [ -f ~/.bashrc ]; then . ~/.bashrc; fi

and

> # Bash initialization for interactive non-login shells and
> # for remote shells (info "(bash) Bash Startup Files").
>
> # Export 'SHELL' to child processes.  Programs such as 'screen'
> # honor it and otherwise use /bin/sh.
> export SHELL
>
> if [[ $- != *i* ]]
> then
>     # We are being invoked from a non-interactive shell.  If this
>     # is an SSH session (as in "ssh host command"), source
>     # /etc/profile so we get PATH and other essential variables.
>     [[ -n "$SSH_CLIENT" ]] && source /etc/profile
>
>     # Don't do anything else.
>     return
> fi
>
> # Source the system-wide file.
> source /etc/bashrc
>
> # Adjust the prompt depending on whether we're in 'guix environment'.
> if [ -n "$GUIX_ENVIRONMENT" ]
> then
>     PS1='\u@\h \w [env]\$ '
> else
>     PS1='\u@\h \w\$ '
> fi

After a "guix home reconfigure" and after a few reboots, I tried out 
emacs-magit, but there was no match for the "M-x magit-status".  It 
turned out that $EMACSLOADPATH was unset. However, it is set in 
~/.guix-home/profile/etc/profile:

> # Source this file to define all the relevant environment variables in 
> Bash
> # for this profile.  You may want to define the 'GUIX_PROFILE' environment
> # variable to point to the "visible" name of the profile, like this:
> #
> #  GUIX_PROFILE=/path/to/profile ; \
> #  source /path/to/profile/etc/profile
> #
> # When GUIX_PROFILE is undefined, the various environment variables refer
> # to this specific profile generation.
>
> export 
> PATH="${GUIX_PROFILE:-/gnu/store/ll0p9k6yp5070svjhwry8dxdm98ipk7d-profile}/bin:${GUIX_PROFILE:-/gnu/store/ll0p9k6yp5070svjhwry>
> export 
> GIT_EXEC_PATH="${GUIX_PROFILE:-/gnu/store/ll0p9k6yp5070svjhwry8dxdm98ipk7d-profile}/libexec/git-core"
> export 
> BASH_LOADABLES_PATH="${GUIX_PROFILE:-/gnu/store/ll0p9k6yp5070svjhwry8dxdm98ipk7d-profile}/lib/bash${BASH_LOADABLES_PATH:+:}$BA>
> export 
> INFOPATH="${GUIX_PROFILE:-/gnu/store/ll0p9k6yp5070svjhwry8dxdm98ipk7d-profile}/share/info${INFOPATH:+:}$INFOPATH"
> export 
> EMACSLOADPATH="${GUIX_PROFILE:-/gnu/store/ll0p9k6yp5070svjhwry8dxdm98ipk7d-profile}/share/emacs/site-lisp${EMACSLOADPATH:+:}$E>
> export 
> XDG_DATA_DIRS="${GUIX_PROFILE:-/gnu/store/ll0p9k6yp5070svjhwry8dxdm98ipk7d-profile}/share${XDG_DATA_DIRS:+:}$XDG_DATA_DIRS"

(nevermind the >, that's just me not making the terminal wide enough 
before copying)

Weirdly, EMACSLOADPATH is not set (tested in a terminal), but PATH, 
GIT_EXEC_PATH, BASH_LOADABLES_PATH, INFOPATH and XDG_DATA_DIRS are set.  
Also, inside a login shell (bash --login) (started inside the graphical 
environment), EMACSLOADPATH is not set.

Also, if I do "source ~/.guix-home/setup-environment", then 
$EMACSLOADPATH" is set.

TBI ...

Greetings,
Maxime.



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* bug#56661: EMACSLOADPATH not set when using Guix System + Guix Home + SDDM + Mate
  2022-07-20 10:45 bug#56661: EMACSLOADPATH not set when using Guix System + Guix Home + SLIM + Mate Maxime Devos
@ 2022-07-20 10:59 ` Maxime Devos
  2022-07-20 12:08 ` bug#56661: EMACSLOADPATH not set when using Guix System + Guix Home + SLIM " Andrew Tropin
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From: Maxime Devos @ 2022-07-20 10:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
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retitle 56661 EMACSLOADPATH not set when using Guix System + Guix Home + 
SDDM + Mate

Correction, I am using SDDM, not SLIM.


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* bug#56661: EMACSLOADPATH not set when using Guix System + Guix Home + SLIM + Mate
  2022-07-20 10:45 bug#56661: EMACSLOADPATH not set when using Guix System + Guix Home + SLIM + Mate Maxime Devos
  2022-07-20 10:59 ` bug#56661: EMACSLOADPATH not set when using Guix System + Guix Home + SDDM " Maxime Devos
@ 2022-07-20 12:08 ` Andrew Tropin
  2022-07-20 12:30   ` Maxime Devos
  2022-07-22 10:24 ` bug#56661: EMACSLOADPATH not set when using Guix System + Guix Home + SDDM + Mate Maxime Devos
  2022-07-30 11:16 ` bug#56661: [PATCH] build-self: Try printing nicer error messages Maxime Devos
  3 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: Andrew Tropin @ 2022-07-20 12:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Maxime Devos, 56661

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On 2022-07-20 12:45, Maxime Devos wrote:

> Hi,
>
> (the SLIM + Mate might be irrelevant, untested)
>
> I am using Guix System and Guix Home. In Guix Home, I've added the 
> "emacs" and "emacs-magit" packages (and some others):
>
>> (home-environment
>>   (packages
>>     (specifications->packages
>>       (list "git" "irssi" "evolution" "openssh" "gnupg" "htop"
>>             "bash" "coreutils" "bash-completion"
>>             "emacs" "emacs-magit" "emacs-paredit"
>>             "icedove" "gnunet" "seahorse" #;"icedove-wayland")))
>>   (services
>>     (list (service
>>             home-bash-service-type
>>             (home-bash-configuration
>>               (aliases
>>                 '(("grep" . "grep --color=auto")
>>                   ("ll" . "ls -l")
>>                   ("ls" . "ls -p --color=auto")))
>>               (bashrc
>>                 (list (local-file ".bashrc" "bashrc")))
>>               (bash-profile
>>                 (list (local-file
>>                         ".bash_profile"
>>                         "bash_profile"))))))))
>
> For completeness, here is the .bash_profile and .bashrc (unmodified from 
> base installation, except for removing a redundant alias):
>
>> # Honor per-interactive-shell startup file
>> if [ -f ~/.bashrc ]; then . ~/.bashrc; fi

Hi Maxime,

According to the documentation to get all the environment variables set
correctly you either need to manage your login shell with Guix Home or
do additional configuration of your shell:
https://guix.gnu.org/manual/devel/en/html_node/Configuring-the-Shell.html

From what I see you manage bash with Guix Home, so according to the
source code your bash_profile should look differently from what you've
posted and must contain `source ~/.profile` in it:
https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guix.git/tree/gnu/home/services/shells.scm#n440

This line makes your login shell source .profile, which sources
setup-environment, which sources ~/.guix-home/profile/etc/profile, which
sets EMACSLOADPATH.

Additionally, I've built the home environment you provided and it
contains the code I mentioned above.

Make sure that ~/.bash_profile and ~/.guix-home/files/.bash_profile
point to the same file in the store.

>
> and
>
>> # Bash initialization for interactive non-login shells and
>> # for remote shells (info "(bash) Bash Startup Files").
>>
>> # Export 'SHELL' to child processes.  Programs such as 'screen'
>> # honor it and otherwise use /bin/sh.
>> export SHELL
>>
>> if [[ $- != *i* ]]
>> then
>>     # We are being invoked from a non-interactive shell.  If this
>>     # is an SSH session (as in "ssh host command"), source
>>     # /etc/profile so we get PATH and other essential variables.
>>     [[ -n "$SSH_CLIENT" ]] && source /etc/profile
>>
>>     # Don't do anything else.
>>     return
>> fi
>>
>> # Source the system-wide file.
>> source /etc/bashrc
>>
>> # Adjust the prompt depending on whether we're in 'guix environment'.
>> if [ -n "$GUIX_ENVIRONMENT" ]
>> then
>>     PS1='\u@\h \w [env]\$ '
>> else
>>     PS1='\u@\h \w\$ '
>> fi
>
> After a "guix home reconfigure" and after a few reboots, I tried out 
> emacs-magit, but there was no match for the "M-x magit-status".  It 
> turned out that $EMACSLOADPATH was unset. However, it is set in 
> ~/.guix-home/profile/etc/profile:
>
>> # Source this file to define all the relevant environment variables in 
>> Bash
>> # for this profile.  You may want to define the 'GUIX_PROFILE' environment
>> # variable to point to the "visible" name of the profile, like this:
>> #
>> #  GUIX_PROFILE=/path/to/profile ; \
>> #  source /path/to/profile/etc/profile
>> #
>> # When GUIX_PROFILE is undefined, the various environment variables refer
>> # to this specific profile generation.
>>
>> export 
>> PATH="${GUIX_PROFILE:-/gnu/store/ll0p9k6yp5070svjhwry8dxdm98ipk7d-profile}/bin:${GUIX_PROFILE:-/gnu/store/ll0p9k6yp5070svjhwry>
>> export 
>> GIT_EXEC_PATH="${GUIX_PROFILE:-/gnu/store/ll0p9k6yp5070svjhwry8dxdm98ipk7d-profile}/libexec/git-core"
>> export 
>> BASH_LOADABLES_PATH="${GUIX_PROFILE:-/gnu/store/ll0p9k6yp5070svjhwry8dxdm98ipk7d-profile}/lib/bash${BASH_LOADABLES_PATH:+:}$BA>
>> export 
>> INFOPATH="${GUIX_PROFILE:-/gnu/store/ll0p9k6yp5070svjhwry8dxdm98ipk7d-profile}/share/info${INFOPATH:+:}$INFOPATH"
>> export 
>> EMACSLOADPATH="${GUIX_PROFILE:-/gnu/store/ll0p9k6yp5070svjhwry8dxdm98ipk7d-profile}/share/emacs/site-lisp${EMACSLOADPATH:+:}$E>
>> export 
>> XDG_DATA_DIRS="${GUIX_PROFILE:-/gnu/store/ll0p9k6yp5070svjhwry8dxdm98ipk7d-profile}/share${XDG_DATA_DIRS:+:}$XDG_DATA_DIRS"
>
> (nevermind the >, that's just me not making the terminal wide enough 
> before copying)
>
> Weirdly, EMACSLOADPATH is not set (tested in a terminal), but PATH, 
> GIT_EXEC_PATH, BASH_LOADABLES_PATH, INFOPATH and XDG_DATA_DIRS are set.  
> Also, inside a login shell (bash --login) (started inside the graphical 
> environment), EMACSLOADPATH is not set.
>
> Also, if I do "source ~/.guix-home/setup-environment", then 
> $EMACSLOADPATH" is set.
>
> TBI ...
>
> Greetings,
> Maxime.
>
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Best regards,
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* bug#56661: EMACSLOADPATH not set when using Guix System + Guix Home + SLIM + Mate
  2022-07-20 12:08 ` bug#56661: EMACSLOADPATH not set when using Guix System + Guix Home + SLIM " Andrew Tropin
@ 2022-07-20 12:30   ` Maxime Devos
  2022-07-20 17:47     ` Andrew Tropin
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: Maxime Devos @ 2022-07-20 12:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Andrew Tropin, 56661


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On 20-07-2022 14:08, Andrew Tropin wrote:
> Hi Maxime,
>
> According to the documentation to get all the environment variables set
> correctly you either need to manage your login shell with Guix Home or
> do additional configuration of your shell:
> https://guix.gnu.org/manual/devel/en/html_node/Configuring-the-Shell.html

I am not using a login shell, though I suppose there might be one under 
the hood somewhere (IIRC, and if it hasn't changed, some login managers 
are wrapped in Guix System to insert a bash --login in-between). Even if 
I am using a (non-login) shell, there's still an issue: if I start an 
application via the graphical things, they don't get all the environment 
variables (I tested this by opening a terminal that starts bash and 
doing "echo $EMACSLOADPATH", but that a shell is used for the test seems 
irrelevant here to me).

>  From what I see you manage bash with Guix Home,
I am not. I just keep the default ~/.bash_profile etc that a fresh Guix 
System install gave me and the only reason bash_profile things appear in 
the home configuration is because "guix home import" generated that. I'm 
not managing anything, just keeping the defaults.
> so according to the
> source code your bash_profile should look differently from what you've
> posted and must contain `source ~/.profile` in it:

~/.bash_profile does contain that line:

# Set up the system, user profile, and related variables.
# /etc/profile will be sourced by bash automatically
# Set up the home environment profile.
if [ -f ~/.profile ]; then source ~/.profile; fi

# Honor per-interactive-shell startup file
if [ -f ~/.bashrc ]; then source ~/.bashrc; fi
# Honor per-interactive-shell startup file
if [ -f ~/.bashrc ]; then . ~/.bashrc; fi

However, .bash_profile (the one from the local-file) does not:

# Honor per-interactive-shell startup file
if [ -f ~/.bashrc ]; then . ~/.bashrc; fi


> https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guix.git/tree/gnu/home/services/shells.scm#n440
>
> This line makes your login shell

I am not using a login shell but a graphical environment -- the only 
reason I actually use a shell at all is because I find it more 
convenient to open a terminal and type "emacs" than to look in the 
graphical desktop thingy for the Emacs icon. Also, I'm not finding Emacs 
here even though in the previous installation of Guix System (GDM + Mate 
IIRC, without Guix Home but with "guix install ...".  Icedove isn't 
appearing there either, though the browser is.

I recall that it login shells were not necessary on Guix System + 
~/.guix-profile (without Guix Home), at least for the desktop 
environment combination I used back then, though it was required on my 
Debian system to do "bash --login".  I can do "bash --login" on my Guix 
System + Guix Home setup to start a login shell, but that would be a 
regression.

>   source .profile, which sources
> setup-environment, which sources ~/.guix-home/profile/etc/profile, which
> sets EMACSLOADPATH.
>
> Additionally, I've built the home environment you provided and it
> contains the code I mentioned above.
>
> Make sure that ~/.bash_profile and ~/.guix-home/files/.bash_profile
> point to the same file in the store.

antipode@antipode ~$ ls -l .bash_profile
lrwxrwxrwx 1 antipode users 56 19 jul 22:14 .bash_profile -> 
/gnu/store/1cq87qf8zccxlnkjwifcyhawmxvy7wfw-bash_profile

antipode@antipode ~$ ls -l ~/.guix-home/files/.bash_profile
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 56  1 jan  1970 
/home/antipode/.guix-home/files/.bash_profile -> 
/gnu/store/1cq87qf8zccxlnkjwifcyhawmxvy7wfw-bash_profile

They do.  Also, shouldn't ~/.bash_profile point to 
~/.guix-home/files/.bash_profile instead of directly to the store, to be 
more atomic (unrelated to #56661 though), like done for symlinks in /etc 
in Guix System?

Greetings,
Maxime.


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* bug#56661: EMACSLOADPATH not set when using Guix System + Guix Home + SLIM + Mate
  2022-07-20 12:30   ` Maxime Devos
@ 2022-07-20 17:47     ` Andrew Tropin
  2022-07-22  9:28       ` bug#56661: EMACSLOADPATH not set when using Guix System + Guix Home + SDDM " Maxime Devos
  2022-07-22  9:32       ` bug#56661: EMACSLOADPATH not set when using Guix System + Guix Home + SLIM " Maxime Devos
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Andrew Tropin @ 2022-07-20 17:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Maxime Devos, 56661

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On 2022-07-20 14:30, Maxime Devos wrote:

> On 20-07-2022 14:08, Andrew Tropin wrote:
>> Hi Maxime,
>>
>> According to the documentation to get all the environment variables set
>> correctly you either need to manage your login shell with Guix Home or
>> do additional configuration of your shell:
>> https://guix.gnu.org/manual/devel/en/html_node/Configuring-the-Shell.html
>
> I am not using a login shell, though I suppose there might be one under 
> the hood somewhere (IIRC, and if it hasn't changed, some login managers 
> are wrapped in Guix System to insert a bash --login in-between). Even if 
> I am using a (non-login) shell, there's still an issue: if I start an 
> application via the graphical things, they don't get all the environment 
> variables (I tested this by opening a terminal that starts bash and 
> doing "echo $EMACSLOADPATH", but that a shell is used for the test seems 
> irrelevant here to me).
>
>>  From what I see you manage bash with Guix Home,
> I am not. I just keep the default ~/.bash_profile etc that a fresh Guix 
> System install gave me and the only reason bash_profile things appear in 
> the home configuration is because "guix home import" generated that. I'm 
> not managing anything, just keeping the defaults.

You are ;) Declaring home-bash-service-type in home environment means
that Guix Home will generate and install bash configurations, which
means you are managing bash configurations with Guix Home.

>> so according to the
>> source code your bash_profile should look differently from what you've
>> posted and must contain `source ~/.profile` in it:
>
> ~/.bash_profile does contain that line:
>
> # Set up the system, user profile, and related variables.
> # /etc/profile will be sourced by bash automatically
> # Set up the home environment profile.
> if [ -f ~/.profile ]; then source ~/.profile; fi
>
> # Honor per-interactive-shell startup file
> if [ -f ~/.bashrc ]; then source ~/.bashrc; fi
> # Honor per-interactive-shell startup file
> if [ -f ~/.bashrc ]; then . ~/.bashrc; fi

You can remove your original bash_profile, because it's just duplicates
last two lines, Guix Home adds the same content as skeletons provided
during system installation and a little more.

>
> However, .bash_profile (the one from the local-file) does not:
>
> # Honor per-interactive-shell startup file
> if [ -f ~/.bashrc ]; then . ~/.bashrc; fi
>
>
>> https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guix.git/tree/gnu/home/services/shells.scm#n440
>>
>> This line makes your login shell
>
> I am not using a login shell but a graphical environment -- the only 
> reason I actually use a shell at all is because I find it more 
> convenient to open a terminal and type "emacs" than to look in the 
> graphical desktop thingy for the Emacs icon. Also, I'm not finding Emacs 
> here even though in the previous installation of Guix System (GDM + Mate 
> IIRC, without Guix Home but with "guix install ...".  Icedove isn't 
> appearing there either, though the browser is.
>
> I recall that it login shells were not necessary on Guix System + 
> ~/.guix-profile (without Guix Home), at least for the desktop 
> environment combination I used back then, though it was required on my 
> Debian system to do "bash --login".  I can do "bash --login" on my Guix 
> System + Guix Home setup to start a login shell, but that would be a 
> regression.
>

I'm not sure how your login/display manager works, but for X11 session
sourcing ~/.profile from ~/.xsession should do the trick.

Put the following content to your ~/.xsession:
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
. ~/.profile
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

Or add the following service to your home environment:
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
(simple-service
 'xsession-init-file
 home-files-service-type
 `((".xsession" ,(plain-file "xsession" ". ~/.profile"))))
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---


>>   source .profile, which sources
>> setup-environment, which sources ~/.guix-home/profile/etc/profile, which
>> sets EMACSLOADPATH.
>>
>> Additionally, I've built the home environment you provided and it
>> contains the code I mentioned above.
>>
>> Make sure that ~/.bash_profile and ~/.guix-home/files/.bash_profile
>> point to the same file in the store.
>
> antipode@antipode ~$ ls -l .bash_profile
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 antipode users 56 19 jul 22:14 .bash_profile -> 
> /gnu/store/1cq87qf8zccxlnkjwifcyhawmxvy7wfw-bash_profile
>
> antipode@antipode ~$ ls -l ~/.guix-home/files/.bash_profile
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 56  1 jan  1970 
> /home/antipode/.guix-home/files/.bash_profile -> 
> /gnu/store/1cq87qf8zccxlnkjwifcyhawmxvy7wfw-bash_profile
>
> They do.  Also, shouldn't ~/.bash_profile point to 
> ~/.guix-home/files/.bash_profile instead of directly to the store, to be 
> more atomic (unrelated to #56661 though), like done for symlinks in /etc 
> in Guix System?

No.

Activation is not atomic process anyway.

-- 
Best regards,
Andrew Tropin

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* bug#56661: EMACSLOADPATH not set when using Guix System + Guix Home + SDDM + Mate
  2022-07-20 17:47     ` Andrew Tropin
@ 2022-07-22  9:28       ` Maxime Devos
  2022-07-22 10:17         ` Maxime Devos
  2022-07-22  9:32       ` bug#56661: EMACSLOADPATH not set when using Guix System + Guix Home + SLIM " Maxime Devos
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: Maxime Devos @ 2022-07-22  9:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Andrew Tropin, 56661


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On 20-07-2022 19:47, Andrew Tropin wrote:
> I'm not sure how your login/display manager works, but for X11 session
> sourcing ~/.profile from ~/.xsession should do the trick.
>
> Put the following content to your ~/.xsession:
> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> . ~/.profile
> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
>
> Or add the following service to your home environment:
> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> (simple-service
>   'xsession-init-file
>   home-files-service-type
>   `((".xsession" ,(plain-file "xsession" ". ~/.profile"))))
> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

Tweaking .xsession was not necessary in my previous Guix System without 
Home setup, so this seems like a work-around to me, not a solution.

However, possibly this is a bug in the setup of the login manager I used 
(previously I used another one), so I will try a different login manager 
as possibly Guix Home is not related here.

> They do.  Also, shouldn't ~/.bash_profile point to
> ~/.guix-home/files/.bash_profile instead of directly to the store, to be
> more atomic (unrelated to #56661 though), like done for symlinks in /etc
> in Guix System?
> No.
>
> Activation is not atomic process anyway.
I know it is not atomic. That's the issue I noted, an issue that seems 
to have a partial solution I also noted.

With current file system APIs, it cannot be made fully atomic, but as 
done for Guix System things, it can at least be made _partially_ atomic 
-- i.e., when no files are added or removed relative to the previous 
generation, the symlink switching is atomic.

(A form of 'Perfect enemy of the good' -- if perfect (= 100% atomic) 
cannot be found, then that's no reason to throw away good (= mostly 
atomic).)

(Also an instance of is-ought: it is not atomic, but that doesn't mean 
it should be non-atomic.)

Greetings,
Maxime.


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* bug#56661: EMACSLOADPATH not set when using Guix System + Guix Home + SLIM + Mate
  2022-07-20 17:47     ` Andrew Tropin
  2022-07-22  9:28       ` bug#56661: EMACSLOADPATH not set when using Guix System + Guix Home + SDDM " Maxime Devos
@ 2022-07-22  9:32       ` Maxime Devos
  2022-07-22 13:03         ` Andrew Tropin
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: Maxime Devos @ 2022-07-22  9:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Andrew Tropin, 56661


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On 20-07-2022 19:47, Andrew Tropin wrote:

> I'm not sure how your login/display manager works, but for X11 session
> sourcing ~/.profile from ~/.xsession should do the trick.
Me neither, and I don't particularly care.

If this is something that needs to be done, shouldn't _Guix System_ 
create that file by default, for the same reason that Guix System 
creates a ~/.profile and ~/.bash_profile by default?  I don't see why I 
would have to do that myself.

Greetings,
Maxime


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* bug#56661: EMACSLOADPATH not set when using Guix System + Guix Home + SDDM + Mate
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@ 2022-07-22 10:17         ` Maxime Devos
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  To: Andrew Tropin, 56661


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On 22-07-2022 11:28, Maxime Devos wrote:
> However, possibly this is a bug in the setup of the login manager I 
> used (previously I used another one), so I will try a different login 
> manager as possibly Guix Home is not related here. 

For GDM, the issue does not occur (and I don't have to create ~/.xsession).

Greetings,
Maxime.


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  2022-07-20 10:45 bug#56661: EMACSLOADPATH not set when using Guix System + Guix Home + SLIM + Mate Maxime Devos
  2022-07-20 10:59 ` bug#56661: EMACSLOADPATH not set when using Guix System + Guix Home + SDDM " Maxime Devos
  2022-07-20 12:08 ` bug#56661: EMACSLOADPATH not set when using Guix System + Guix Home + SLIM " Andrew Tropin
@ 2022-07-22 10:24 ` Maxime Devos
  2022-07-22 10:44   ` Maxime Devos
  2022-07-30 11:16 ` bug#56661: [PATCH] build-self: Try printing nicer error messages Maxime Devos
  3 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: Maxime Devos @ 2022-07-22 10:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 56661


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retitle 56661 SDDM does not do the equivalent of 'login shell --login', 
unlike other login managers
thanks

A digged a little, and found  that:

For GDM, things work, for SDDM, they don't.

There is a 'xinitrc' procedure in gnu/services/xorg.scm that generates a 
configuration file that has a fallback .xsession that does a --login. 
This is used by gdm-wayland-session-wrapper, <gdm-configuration> and 
slim-shepherd-service.  However, nothing similar appears to be done for 
SDDM.  So it appears that the SDDM service needs to be tweaked to use 
xinitrc or such.

Greetings,
Maxime


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  2022-07-22 10:24 ` bug#56661: EMACSLOADPATH not set when using Guix System + Guix Home + SDDM + Mate Maxime Devos
@ 2022-07-22 10:44   ` Maxime Devos
  2022-07-22 11:00     ` bug#56661: SDDM does not do the equivalent of 'login shell --login', unlike other login managers Maxime Devos
  2022-07-22 13:15     ` bug#56661: EMACSLOADPATH not set when using Guix System + Guix Home + SDDM + Mate Andrew Tropin
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Maxime Devos @ 2022-07-22 10:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 56661


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On 22-07-2022 12:24, Maxime Devos wrote:
> retitle 56661 SDDM does not do the equivalent of 'login shell 
> --login', unlike other login managers
> thanks
>
> A digged a little, and found  that:
>
> For GDM, things work, for SDDM, they don't.
>
> There is a 'xinitrc' procedure in gnu/services/xorg.scm that generates 
> a configuration file that has a fallback .xsession that does a 
> --login. This is used by gdm-wayland-session-wrapper, 
> <gdm-configuration> and slim-shepherd-service.  However, nothing 
> similar appears to be done for SDDM.  So it appears that the SDDM 
> service needs to be tweaked to use xinitrc or such.

It appears that SDDM supports xinitrc files, but it looks for them (see 
data/scripts/Xsession) in $HOME/.xsessionrc and 
/etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d, which do not exist in Guix. There is no option 
for overriding the xinitrc.  However, it is possible to override the 
Xsession script used, so we can give SDDM a modified Xsession script 
that uses Guix' xinitrc. I'll give that a try.

Greetings,
Maxime


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* bug#56661: SDDM does not do the equivalent of 'login shell --login', unlike other login managers
  2022-07-22 10:44   ` Maxime Devos
@ 2022-07-22 11:00     ` Maxime Devos
  2022-07-22 13:15     ` bug#56661: EMACSLOADPATH not set when using Guix System + Guix Home + SDDM + Mate Andrew Tropin
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Maxime Devos @ 2022-07-22 11:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 56661


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On 22-07-2022 12:44, Maxime Devos wrote:
>
> On 22-07-2022 12:24, Maxime Devos wrote:
>> retitle 56661 SDDM does not do the equivalent of 'login shell 
>> --login', unlike other login managers
>> thanks
>>
>> A digged a little, and found  that:
>>
>> For GDM, things work, for SDDM, they don't.
>>
>> There is a 'xinitrc' procedure in gnu/services/xorg.scm that 
>> generates a configuration file that has a fallback .xsession that 
>> does a --login. This is used by gdm-wayland-session-wrapper, 
>> <gdm-configuration> and slim-shepherd-service.  However, nothing 
>> similar appears to be done for SDDM.  So it appears that the SDDM 
>> service needs to be tweaked to use xinitrc or such.
>
> It appears that SDDM supports xinitrc files, but it looks for them 
> (see data/scripts/Xsession) in $HOME/.xsessionrc and 
> /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d, which do not exist in Guix. There is no 
> option for overriding the xinitrc.  However, it is possible to 
> override the Xsession script used, so we can give SDDM a modified 
> Xsession script that uses Guix' xinitrc. I'll give that a try.
>
Actually, I'll be doing other things first, but for anyone interested, 
this sounds like a likely solution to me.

Greetings,
Maxime.


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* bug#56661: EMACSLOADPATH not set when using Guix System + Guix Home + SLIM + Mate
  2022-07-22  9:32       ` bug#56661: EMACSLOADPATH not set when using Guix System + Guix Home + SLIM " Maxime Devos
@ 2022-07-22 13:03         ` Andrew Tropin
  2022-07-22 13:13           ` bug#56661: SDDM does not do the equivalent of 'login shell --login', unlike other login managers Maxime Devos
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: Andrew Tropin @ 2022-07-22 13:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Maxime Devos, 56661

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On 2022-07-22 11:32, Maxime Devos wrote:

> On 20-07-2022 19:47, Andrew Tropin wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure how your login/display manager works, but for X11 session
>> sourcing ~/.profile from ~/.xsession should do the trick.
> Me neither, and I don't particularly care.
>
> If this is something that needs to be done, shouldn't _Guix System_ 
> create that file by default, for the same reason that Guix System 
> creates a ~/.profile and ~/.bash_profile by default?  I don't see why I 
> would have to do that myself.

It's a tricky question, because it's a case on the edge of Home/System.
From one point of view it should be handled by some home service, which
will create a proper ~/.xsession or extend it and generic mechanism,
from some display managers will automatically source it, but on the
other hand maybe adjusting system services for other DMs, which doesn't
work "out of the box" yet is a way to go.  I don't have much experience
with X11, and don't see a whole picture, so it's hard to tell which
option is better.

-- 
Best regards,
Andrew Tropin

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* bug#56661: SDDM does not do the equivalent of 'login shell --login', unlike other login managers
  2022-07-22 13:03         ` Andrew Tropin
@ 2022-07-22 13:13           ` Maxime Devos
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Maxime Devos @ 2022-07-22 13:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Andrew Tropin, 56661


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On 22-07-2022 15:03, Andrew Tropin wrote:
> It's a tricky question, because it's a case on the edge of Home/System.
>  From one point of view it should be handled by some home service, which
> will create a proper ~/.xsession or extend it and generic mechanism,
Such a mechanism already exists for GDM and SLiM, see later (though it 
doesn't create ~/.xessionrc, it's more stateless, and it is independent 
of Guix Home). I don't see why Guix Home should handle things, it 
doesn't seem to have anything to handle (unless you go for the 
alternative, more stateful, solution you are proposing?).
> from some display managers will automatically source it, but on the
> other hand maybe adjusting system services for other DMs, which doesn't
> work "out of the box" yet is a way to go.  I don't have much experience
> with X11, and don't see a whole picture, so it's hard to tell which
> option is better.

I think I've found a solution that works for Guix System, independent of 
Guix Home (doesn't depend on Guix Home and doesn't interfere with Guix 
Home and doesn't require Guix System and Guix Home to interact), as 
written in another response (thread is getting a bit long!):

> On 22-07-2022 12:24, Maxime Devos wrote:
>> retitle 56661 SDDM does not do the equivalent of 'login shell 
>> --login', unlike other login managers
>> thanks
>>
>> A digged a little, and found  that:
>>
>> For GDM, things work, for SDDM, they don't.
>>
>> There is a 'xinitrc' procedure in gnu/services/xorg.scm that 
>> generates a configuration file that has a fallback .xsession that 
>> does a --login. This is used by gdm-wayland-session-wrapper, 
>> <gdm-configuration> and slim-shepherd-service.  However, nothing 
>> similar appears to be done for SDDM.  So it appears that the SDDM 
>> service needs to be tweaked to use xinitrc or such.
>
> It appears that SDDM supports xinitrc files, but it looks for them 
> (see data/scripts/Xsession) in $HOME/.xsessionrc and 
> /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d, which do not exist in Guix. There is no 
> option for overriding the xinitrc.  However, it is possible to 
> override the Xsession script used, so we can give SDDM a modified 
> Xsession script that uses Guix' xinitrc. 

TBC: the 'xinitrc' that Guix generates does not override the ~/.xinitrc 
written by the user (if any) -- IIUC, the generated wrapper looks for 
~/.xinitrc and if it exists, it runs that, but if it doesn't exist, it 
has a fallback. Also, TBC, it doesn't create ~/.xsessionrc (unlike what 
you seem to be proposing), the relevant code just tells the login 
manager to look at /gnu/store/...-the-generated-xinitrc.

It seems to work for GDM and presumably also for SLiM, which has similar 
code. As such, I would expect it to work without problems for SDDM as 
well (please write SDDM in the subject line, the original SLiM is 
incorrect, I actually used SDDM).

Greetings,
Maxime


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* bug#56661: EMACSLOADPATH not set when using Guix System + Guix Home + SDDM + Mate
  2022-07-22 10:44   ` Maxime Devos
  2022-07-22 11:00     ` bug#56661: SDDM does not do the equivalent of 'login shell --login', unlike other login managers Maxime Devos
@ 2022-07-22 13:15     ` Andrew Tropin
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Andrew Tropin @ 2022-07-22 13:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Maxime Devos, 56661

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On 2022-07-22 12:44, Maxime Devos wrote:

> On 22-07-2022 12:24, Maxime Devos wrote:
>> retitle 56661 SDDM does not do the equivalent of 'login shell 
>> --login', unlike other login managers
>> thanks
>>
>> A digged a little, and found  that:
>>
>> For GDM, things work, for SDDM, they don't.
>>
>> There is a 'xinitrc' procedure in gnu/services/xorg.scm that generates 
>> a configuration file that has a fallback .xsession that does a 
>> --login. This is used by gdm-wayland-session-wrapper, 
>> <gdm-configuration> and slim-shepherd-service.  However, nothing 
>> similar appears to be done for SDDM.  So it appears that the SDDM 
>> service needs to be tweaked to use xinitrc or such.

The idea looks good to me.

>
> It appears that SDDM supports xinitrc files, but it looks for them
> (see data/scripts/Xsession) in $HOME/.xsessionrc and
> /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d, which do not exist in Guix. There is no
> option for overriding the xinitrc.  However, it is possible to
> override the Xsession script used, so we can give SDDM a modified
> Xsession script that uses Guix' xinitrc. I'll give that a try.

Just a note: .xsessionrc is debian-specific IIRC

-- 
Best regards,
Andrew Tropin

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@ 2022-07-30 11:16 ` Maxime Devos
  2022-07-30 11:17   ` Maxime Devos
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This (reviewed!) patch would be helpful for debugging 
<https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=56836> and many other 
"guix pull: You found a bug" reports.

Greetings,
Maxime.


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@ 2022-07-30 11:17   ` Maxime Devos
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  To: 56661


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On 30-07-2022 13:16, Maxime Devos wrote:
> This (reviewed!) patch would be helpful for debugging 
> <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=56836> and many other 
> "guix pull: You found a bug" reports.
>
Nevermind sent to the wrong number.

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