From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp2 ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id +NZ4A3cWMWBIIAAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Sat, 20 Feb 2021 14:02:31 +0000 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp2 with LMTPS id 4GfNOnYWMWDDegAAB5/wlQ (envelope-from ) for ; Sat, 20 Feb 2021 14:02:30 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6BF63255E8 for ; Sat, 20 Feb 2021 15:02:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([::1]:41648 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lDSq5-0007iS-Kn for larch@yhetil.org; Sat, 20 Feb 2021 09:02:29 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48514) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lDSoh-0007IE-4W for bug-guix@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Feb 2021 09:01:04 -0500 Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:39735) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lDSog-0007L4-7L for bug-guix@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Feb 2021 09:01:02 -0500 Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lDSog-0001y2-6R for bug-guix@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Feb 2021 09:01:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#46650: Extending package transformation options Resent-From: Ludovic =?UTF-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?= Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-guix@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2021 14:01:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 46650 X-GNU-PR-Package: guix X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Leo Famulari Received: via spool by 46650-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B46650.16138296167487 (code B ref 46650); Sat, 20 Feb 2021 14:01:02 +0000 Received: (at 46650) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Feb 2021 14:00:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51281 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lDSnw-0001wh-3n for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Feb 2021 09:00:16 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:58684) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lDSnu-0001wO-C0 for 46650@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Feb 2021 09:00:14 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:43978) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lDSnp-0006tw-0p; Sat, 20 Feb 2021 09:00:09 -0500 Received: from [2a01:e0a:1d:7270:af76:b9b:ca24:c465] (port=35268 helo=ribbon) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lDSnk-0001aj-5L; Sat, 20 Feb 2021 09:00:05 -0500 From: Ludovic =?UTF-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?= References: Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2021 15:00:02 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Leo Famulari's message of "Fri, 19 Feb 2021 19:17:40 -0500") Message-ID: <87blcej0v1.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-guix@gnu.org List-Id: Bug reports for GNU Guix List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: 46650@debbugs.gnu.org, Carl Dong Errors-To: bug-guix-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "bug-Guix" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.87 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of bug-guix-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=bug-guix-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 6BF63255E8 X-Spam-Score: -2.87 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: M970YIBPkZDM Leo Famulari skribis: > On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 06:24:57PM -0500, Carl Dong wrote: >> One of the main reasons for switching over to Guix is for its bootstrapp= bility and the ability to perform `--bootstrap --no-substitutes` builds. As= mentioned in the gnutls ticket, performing these source-based builds can s= ometimes reveal problems with tests suites: >> 1. Spurious tests >> 2. =E2=80=9CExpiring=E2=80=9D tests (like the gnutls one) >> 3. Foreign distro problems (0zmcam9sdiag9s1qx3xvlf8a3jnm53x2-sed-4.8.drv= fails to build on SELinux-based distros because of a test failure in tests= uite/inplace-selinux) > > I hate to throw a wrench in your plans, but I think that using package > transformation options on the command-line militates against many of the > benefits you are seeking to take advantage of, in terms of an > introspectable and bootstrappable software system. > > Normally when using Guix, our Git tree provides a convenient and > comprehensive view of the entire software system. It also provides an > entry point into the system for making changes. > > When using these command-line package transformations, you diverge from > the Guix Git tree and enter uncharted and untracked territory. If you > install some software or build some system using these transformations, > there is no Git tree you can check out and begin exploring. For example, > there will be no package definition of GnuTLS-without-tests that can be > referred to and shared. I think that=E2=80=99s OK: you=E2=80=99re building a different GnuTLS deriv= ation, true, but how that derivation is computed is fully under control as the transformation option appears on the command line or in your manifest. It=E2=80=99s really equivalent to forking Guix and adding #:tests? #f, only= more flexible. Ludo=E2=80=99.