bug#47685: Feature Request: Install fping by default

bug#47685: Feature Request: Install fping by default

[bo0od]

Hi There,

Its better to know when you configure guix network using manual 
installation if things went well or not, the easiest way to do that is 
ping x.org. But fping package is not installed by default within guix 
iso, Hope to see it added by default.

ThX!

bug#47685: Feature Request: Install fping by default

[Leo Famulari]

On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 03:52:34AM +0000, bo0od wrote:
> Hi There,
> 
> Its better to know when you configure guix network using manual installation
> if things went well or not, the easiest way to do that is ping x.org. But
> fping package is not installed by default within guix iso, Hope to see it
> added by default.

I checked, and `ping` is available in the ISO. What does fping add over
ping?

bug#47685: Feature Request: Install fping by default

[Tobias Geerinckx-Rice via Bug reports for GNU Guix]

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Hi!

bo0od writes:
> Its better to know when you configure guix network using manual
> installation if things went well or not, the easiest way to do 
> that is 
> ping x.org.

It might be the most common, but note that it's not a reliable 
way.

Plenty of people are confused that ping doesn't work in their VM 
with QEMU user networking, and think this means they can't access 
the Web to download packages.  So they don't even try even though 
it works fine.

> But fping package is not installed by default within guix
> iso, Hope to see it added by default.

I looked up ‘fping’ and it's an obscure ping variant.  It may be 
your favourite obscure variant ;-) but it's definitely not 
something that should be installed by default.

‘ping’ is provided by ‘inetutils’.  It's already part of 
%base-packages.  It is installed by default.  Below you talk about 
the installer ISO, but it already has ‘ping’ preinstalled, so I'm 
confused.

Kind regards,

T G-R

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bug#47685: Feature Request: Install fping by default

[bo0od]

There is no ping x.org thats the thing i want it to work, fping or other 
doesnt matter. ping command not their by default.

Tobias Geerinckx-Rice:
> Hi!
> 
> bo0od writes:
>> Its better to know when you configure guix network using manual
>> installation if things went well or not, the easiest way to do that is 
>> ping x.org.
> 
> It might be the most common, but note that it's not a reliable way.
> 
> Plenty of people are confused that ping doesn't work in their VM with 
> QEMU user networking, and think this means they can't access the Web to 
> download packages.  So they don't even try even though it works fine.
> 
>> But fping package is not installed by default within guix
>> iso, Hope to see it added by default.
> 
> I looked up ‘fping’ and it's an obscure ping variant.  It may be your 
> favourite obscure variant ;-) but it's definitely not something that 
> should be installed by default.
> 
> ‘ping’ is provided by ‘inetutils’.  It's already part of 
> %base-packages.  It is installed by default.  Below you talk about the 
> installer ISO, but it already has ‘ping’ preinstalled, so I'm confused.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> T G-R

bug#47685: Feature Request: Install fping by default

[bo0od]

how to make it work? ping x.org say command not found.

Leo Famulari:
> On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 03:52:34AM +0000, bo0od wrote:
>> Hi There,
>>
>> Its better to know when you configure guix network using manual installation
>> if things went well or not, the easiest way to do that is ping x.org. But
>> fping package is not installed by default within guix iso, Hope to see it
>> added by default.
> 
> I checked, and `ping` is available in the ISO. What does fping add over
> ping?
> 

bug#47685: Feature Request: Install fping by default

[Leo Famulari]

It worked for me, I just ran `ping`. What ISO are you using, and how do
you log in to it?

On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 08:04:07PM +0000, bo0od wrote:
> how to make it work? ping x.org say command not found.
> 
> Leo Famulari:
> > On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 03:52:34AM +0000, bo0od wrote:
> > > Hi There,
> > > 
> > > Its better to know when you configure guix network using manual installation
> > > if things went well or not, the easiest way to do that is ping x.org. But
> > > fping package is not installed by default within guix iso, Hope to see it
> > > added by default.
> > 
> > I checked, and `ping` is available in the ISO. What does fping add over
> > ping?
> > 

bug#47685: Feature Request: Install fping by default

[Tobias Geerinckx-Rice via Bug reports for GNU Guix]

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bo0od writes:
> There is no ping x.org thats the thing i want it to work, fping 
> or
> other doesnt matter. ping command not their by default.

It is absolutely ‘there by default’ on the installer ISO.

If you're talking about some other environment, please be (way) 
more specific so we can provide more useful help.

Kind regards,

T G-R

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bug#47685: Feature Request: Install fping by default

[bo0od]

I apologize for the mistake actually internet wasnt connected to it 
showed "unknown host" message i thought ping package not installed (i 
dont know why i thought that...).

Apologize again my mistake, Feel free to close this issue.



Leo Famulari:
> It worked for me, I just ran `ping`. What ISO are you using, and how do
> you log in to it?
> 
> On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 08:04:07PM +0000, bo0od wrote:
>> how to make it work? ping x.org say command not found.
>>
>> Leo Famulari:
>>> On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 03:52:34AM +0000, bo0od wrote:
>>>> Hi There,
>>>>
>>>> Its better to know when you configure guix network using manual installation
>>>> if things went well or not, the easiest way to do that is ping x.org. But
>>>> fping package is not installed by default within guix iso, Hope to see it
>>>> added by default.
>>>
>>> I checked, and `ping` is available in the ISO. What does fping add over
>>> ping?
>>>

bug#47685: Feature Request: Install fping by default

[Tobias Geerinckx-Rice via Bug reports for GNU Guix]

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bo0od writes:
> ping x.org say command not found.

[...]

> I apologize for the mistake actually internet wasnt connected to 
> it
> showed "unknown host" message

This is why it's important to provide (accurate) details. ;-) 
Better too much than too little.

> Apologize again my mistake, Feel free to close this issue.

Done!  As Maxime mentioned in a previous thread, feel free to do 
so by changing nnn@debbugs.gnu.org to nnn-done@debbugs.gnu.org 
when replying.

Kind regards,

T G-R

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