From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Mark H Weaver Subject: bug#27264: gnome-shell-3.24.2 consistently dies during initialization Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2017 02:29:02 -0400 Message-ID: <878tl3q9g1.fsf@netris.org> References: <87o9u13e4i.fsf@netris.org> <8760g8t769.fsf@gnu.org> <87shjbwjdc.fsf@netris.org> <8760g7nhhx.fsf@fastmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49884) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dIqxJ-00070P-Oj for bug-guix@gnu.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2017 02:30:06 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dIqxG-0003sg-LK for bug-guix@gnu.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2017 02:30:05 -0400 Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:59561) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dIqxG-0003sZ-Ic for bug-guix@gnu.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2017 02:30:02 -0400 Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dIqxG-0002ry-9W for bug-guix@gnu.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2017 02:30:02 -0400 Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8760g7nhhx.fsf@fastmail.com> (Marius Bakke's message of "Thu, 08 Jun 2017 08:03:22 +0200") List-Id: Bug reports for GNU Guix List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-guix-bounces+gcggb-bug-guix=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "bug-Guix" To: Marius Bakke Cc: 27264@debbugs.gnu.org Marius Bakke writes: > Mark H Weaver writes: > >> I have a question: Does GNOME 3 work for *anyone* in Guix now? If so, >> that would be useful information. If not, I wonder why this got merged >> into master. > > I'm sorry, I don't actually use GNOME and should have tested it before > pushing. I have been busy lately and didn't want to hold up the branch. In the future, I think that pushing an updated desktop environment to master should only be performed by someone who is able and willing to test it. Modern desktop environments are quite complex, and many things can go wrong even if the code compiles. > It would be good to have a system test for GNOME and other DEs so we can > catch these problems earlier. I agree that it would be good to have this, but it would require a massive effort to produce a sufficiently comprehensive test suite to render manual testing unnecessary. In the meantime, automated testing is not an adequate substitute for user testing. To my mind, only someone who actually uses the DE in question to do real work will be able to meaningfully judge the result as usable. > I'll try to help fixing this later today, but feel free to revert the > updates meanwhile. GNOME contains a great many components, and I don't fully understand their interdependencies. It's not something that can be easily reverted. Mark