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emacs 27.2 From: Ricardo Wurmus Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2021 15:08:23 +0100 In-reply-to: <87ilvnjr49.fsf@elephly.net> X-URL: https://elephly.net X-PGP-Key: https://elephly.net/rekado.pubkey X-PGP-Fingerprint: BCA6 89B6 3655 3801 C3C6 2150 197A 5888 235F ACAC Message-ID: <878rwjl3nj.fsf@elephly.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-ZohoMailClient: External X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-guix@gnu.org List-Id: Bug reports for GNU Guix List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: 51787@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: bug-guix-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "bug-Guix" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=2; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1639750554; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding:resent-cc: resent-from:resent-sender:resent-message-id:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; 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dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "bug-guix-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="bug-guix-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.00 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=elephly.net header.s=zoho header.b=ibzHIMbK; arc=reject ("signature check failed: fail, {[1] = sig:zohomail.com:reject}"); dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "bug-guix-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="bug-guix-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 99C01B110 X-Spam-Score: -1.00 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: 4VEfdfi38mti Ricardo Wurmus writes: > I=E2=80=99ll run this on a few of the build nodes to get some more compar= isons. I ran =E2=80=9Cguix deploy=E2=80=9D for hydra-guix-107, a node that was bou= ght at the same time as the one that is now the head node of ci.guix.gnu.org. I copied over a current Guix and installed =E2=80=9Cfio=E2=80=9D (/gnu/store/qs9cyy5s95n2fbjmxs48iccqvsvj6wxr-fio-3.28/bin/fio) there. Here=E2=80=99s the output: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- root@hydra-guix-107 ~# fio --randrepeat=3D1 --ioengine=3Dlibaio --direct=3D= 1 --gtod_reduce=3D1 --name=3Dtest --filename=3Dtest --bs=3D4k --iodepth=3D6= 4 --size=3D4G --readwrite=3Drandrw --rwmixread=3D75 test: (g=3D0): rw=3Drandrw, bs=3D(R) 4096B-4096B, (W) 4096B-4096B, (T) 4096= B-4096B, ioengine=3Dlibaio, iodepth=3D64 fio-3.28 Starting 1 process test: Laying out IO file (1 file / 4096MiB) Jobs: 1 (f=3D1): [m(1)][100.0%][r=3D172MiB/s,w=3D56.9MiB/s][r=3D44.2k,w=3D1= 4.6k IOPS][eta 00m:00s] test: (groupid=3D0, jobs=3D1): err=3D 0: pid=3D45365: Fri Dec 17 14:50:41 2= 021 read: IOPS=3D42.9k, BW=3D167MiB/s (176MB/s)(3070MiB/18331msec) bw ( KiB/s): min=3D21208, max=3D199928, per=3D100.00%, avg=3D171621.56,= stdev=3D46624.05, samples=3D36 iops : min=3D 5302, max=3D49982, avg=3D42905.39, stdev=3D11656.01= , samples=3D36 write: IOPS=3D14.3k, BW=3D56.0MiB/s (58.7MB/s)(1026MiB/18331msec); 0 zone= resets bw ( KiB/s): min=3D 7424, max=3D66720, per=3D100.00%, avg=3D57364.22, s= tdev=3D15612.42, samples=3D36 iops : min=3D 1856, max=3D16680, avg=3D14341.06, stdev=3D3903.10,= samples=3D36 cpu : usr=3D6.27%, sys=3D24.78%, ctx=3D121626, majf=3D0, minf=3D= 11 IO depths : 1=3D0.1%, 2=3D0.1%, 4=3D0.1%, 8=3D0.1%, 16=3D0.1%, 32=3D0.= 1%, >=3D64=3D100.0% submit : 0=3D0.0%, 4=3D100.0%, 8=3D0.0%, 16=3D0.0%, 32=3D0.0%, 64= =3D0.0%, >=3D64=3D0.0% complete : 0=3D0.0%, 4=3D100.0%, 8=3D0.0%, 16=3D0.0%, 32=3D0.0%, 64= =3D0.1%, >=3D64=3D0.0% issued rwts: total=3D785920,262656,0,0 short=3D0,0,0,0 dropped=3D0,0,0= ,0 latency : target=3D0, window=3D0, percentile=3D100.00%, depth=3D64 Run status group 0 (all jobs): READ: bw=3D167MiB/s (176MB/s), 167MiB/s-167MiB/s (176MB/s-176MB/s), io= =3D3070MiB (3219MB), run=3D18331-18331msec WRITE: bw=3D56.0MiB/s (58.7MB/s), 56.0MiB/s-56.0MiB/s (58.7MB/s-58.7MB/s)= , io=3D1026MiB (1076MB), run=3D18331-18331msec Disk stats (read/write): sda: ios=3D779469/260494, merge=3D0/6, ticks=3D932265/195191, in_queue=3D= 1127456, util=3D99.50% --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- Here sda is RAID of two SSDs: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- racadm>>storage get pdisks -o Disk.Bay.0:Enclosure.Internal.0-1:RAID.Integrated.1-1 Status =3D Ok=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20= =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20= =20=20=20 DeviceDescription =3D Disk 0 in Backplane 1 of Integrated= RAID Controller 1 RollupStatus =3D Ok=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20= =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20= =20=20=20 Name =3D Solid State Disk 0:1:0=20=20=20=20= =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 State =3D Online=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20= =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20= =20 OperationState =3D Not Applicable=20=20=20=20=20=20=20= 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