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spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of bug-guix-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=bug-guix-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.32 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=PB9tO6Pj; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of bug-guix-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=bug-guix-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 31C7CD0B6 X-Spam-Score: -1.32 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: /XxVlkfx7V8t Hi Jacob, On Tue, 09 Nov 2021 at 00:02, Mark H Weaver wrote: > Jacob Hrbek writes: > >> There is an unofficial GNU Guix community on matrix (#guix:matrix.org) >> with 375 members and an unofficial matrix space that i've created >> (https://matrix.to/#/#gnu-guix:tchncs.de) which consist of >> IRC<->Matrix bridged channels. >> >> Proposing for GNU Guix to adopt this community, it's moderators and my >> space to configure IRC<->Matrix bridge (less then 4000 CPU cycles per >> day last time i checked) to connect those two communities and users >> who prefer either of those protocols to increase the reach of GNU Guix >> to new users. [...] > You propose that GNU Guix should adopt "this community, it's moderators > and my space". Who are these moderators? Who controls the "space"? > Who gets to decide who is given moderation privileges over the "space"? In addition to these concerns about moderating the =E2=80=9Cchannel=E2=80= =9D of communication, from a practical point of view, there is another concern about the server or bridge. Who manages it? For instance, the maintenance cost of the IRC infrastructure is delegated to =E2=80=9Ctrusted= =E2=80=9D people behind https://libera.chat/. What about the example you provided https://matrix.to/#/#gnu-guix:tchncs.de? In other words, the concern is two levels. As example, the current IRC channel #guix on https://libera.chat is =E2=80=9Cofficial=E2=80=9D because: 1. the channel itself is moderated by trusted Guixers (even maintainers, I guess); 2. the infrastructure which runs IRC is moderated by =E2=80=9Ctrusted=E2=80= =9D people; for instance, the recent switch from Freenode to Libera points the cost. Mark is asking about #1. Then what about this #2? Although, the Matrix protocol allows federation, at one moment, server or bridge need to effectively run. Last, I do not have an opinion about communication technology. And I receive all the initiatives for attracting people as a gift. However, being =E2=80=9Cofficial=E2=80=9D implies costs and these costs should be ca= refully discussed before jumping, IMHO. Cheers, simon