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On 03-04-2022 19:26, Liliana Marie Prikler wrote:

Am Sonntag, dem 03.04.2022 u=
m 15:09 +0200 schrieb Maxime Devos:

Hi guix,

fortune-mod currently propagates (in the non-technical sense) various
non-nice things like objectification, misoginy, religious
intolerance, anti-mathematician-ism (?) and date rape.=C2=A0 That is not
an exhaustive list, these are just the first few things I encountered
with "fortune off".

Well, the purpose of "fortun=
e off" is to provide offensive "jokes".  As
such, if you're offended by them, you're kinda getting what you've
asked for.  If removing them falls under what our CoC states, though,
then so be it, I have no horse in this race.

My point wasn't that some individual could accidentally install a<= br> package that offends them.=C2=A0 My point was that:

fortune-mod currently prop=
agates (in the non-technical sense) various
non-nice things like objectification, misogeny, religious intolerance,
anti-mathematician-ism (?) and date rape.  That is not an exhaustive
list, these are just the first few things I encountered with "fortune
off".

More concretely, consider the target audience for such "jokes" instead of some random individual.
By including such jokes:

  • we implicitly validate that such views are reasonable (people holding those views get validation, unknowing people are nudged into considering such views and people rejecting these views are invalidated)
  • As such, we contribute to keeping those vile -isms intact and making them more common.

I do not believe this to be a good course of action.

Something can be said about the individuals too, w.r.t. internalised $BAD-isms, negative impact on mental health, possibly some other things too?). I don't believe inflicting those to be a good idea either.

Csepp <raingloom@riseup.net>

[quoted stuff]
Honestly this is dumb, it'=
s not even practically useful software. We
have no obligation to package something that jokes about date rape and
contributes nothing of practical value.
This is very different to the reasoning behind the lack of moral clauses
in the GPL. And again, just because something is free software, we don't =
have to
package it.
It's a ticking PR timebomb and nothing of value would be lost if we got
rid of that file. If some snowflake gets triggered because we removed
their favorite date rape joke, they self identified as someone whose
opinion we should ignore. :P
Exactly, though myself I prefer to reason in terms of "what is / what changes / consequences / ..." instead of "how are our actions perceived".

(/me catches up on other responses, haven't read them all yet)

=

Greetings,
Maxime.

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