From: Maxime Devos <maximedevos@telenet.be>
To: Liliana Marie Prikler <liliana.prikler@gmail.com>, 54691@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#54691: fortune-mod propagates various non-nice things
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2022 21:20:44 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <66494e02-a96c-6557-4895-2d2ffcf48bc4@telenet.be> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9f39252821c630a8ba1064baa2b860f9e7a7a990.camel@gmail.com>
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On 03-04-2022 19:26, Liliana Marie Prikler wrote:
> Am Sonntag, dem 03.04.2022 um 15:09 +0200 schrieb Maxime Devos:
>> Hi guix,
>>
>> fortune-mod currently propagates (in the non-technical sense) various
>> non-nice things like objectification, misoginy, religious
>> intolerance, anti-mathematician-ism (?) and date rape. That is not
>> an exhaustive list, these are just the first few things I encountered
>> with "fortune off".
> Well, the purpose of "fortune off" is to provide offensive "jokes". As
> such, if you're offended by them, you're kinda getting what you've
> asked for. If removing them falls under what our CoC states, though,
> then so be it, I have no horse in this race.
My point wasn't that some individual could accidentally install a
package that offends them. My point was that:
> fortune-mod currently propagates (in the non-technical sense) various
> non-nice things like objectification, misogeny, religious intolerance,
> anti-mathematician-ism (?) and date rape. That is not an exhaustive
> list, these are just the first few things I encountered with "fortune
> off".
More concretely, consider the target audience for such "jokes" instead
of some random individual.
By including such jokes:
* we implicitly validate that such views are reasonable (people
holding those views get validation, unknowing people are nudged into
considering such views and people rejecting these views are invalidated)
* As such, we contribute to keeping those vile -isms intact and making
them more common.
I do not believe this to be a good course of action.
Something can be said about the individuals too, w.r.t. internalised
$BAD-isms, negative impact on mental health, possibly some other things
too?). I don't believe inflicting those to be a good idea either.
Csepp <raingloom@riseup.net>
> [quoted stuff]
> Honestly this is dumb, it's not even practically useful software. We
> have no obligation to package something that jokes about date rape and
> contributes nothing of practical value.
> This is very different to the reasoning behind the lack of moral clauses
> in the GPL. And again, just because something is free software, we don't have to
> package it.
> It's a ticking PR timebomb and nothing of value would be lost if we got
> rid of that file. If some snowflake gets triggered because we removed
> their favorite date rape joke, they self identified as someone whose
> opinion we should ignore. :P
Exactly, though myself I prefer to reason in terms of "what is / what
changes / consequences / ..." instead of "how are our actions perceived".
(/me catches up on other responses, haven't read them all yet)
Greetings,
Maxime.
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Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-04-03 13:09 bug#54691: fortune-mod propagates various non-nice things Maxime Devos
2022-04-03 17:26 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-04-03 18:12 ` Maxime Devos
2022-04-03 18:41 ` Maxime Devos
2022-04-04 10:41 ` Maxime Devos
2022-07-19 19:20 ` Maxime Devos [this message]
2022-07-20 4:31 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-07-20 8:45 ` Maxime Devos
2022-07-20 16:57 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-07-20 18:50 ` Maxime Devos
2022-04-03 18:20 ` Maxime Devos
2022-07-14 1:30 ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-07-14 13:00 ` Csepp
2022-07-14 14:55 ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-07-19 18:54 ` Maxime Devos
2022-07-19 19:45 ` Maxime Devos
2022-07-23 15:06 ` bug#54691: [PATCH 1/5] gnu: Add daikichi Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-07-23 15:06 ` bug#54691: [PATCH v2 " Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-07-23 15:06 ` bug#54691: [PATCH v3 2/6] " Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-07-23 15:11 ` bug#54691: [PATCH 2/5] gnu: Add fortunes-jkirchartz Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-07-23 19:54 ` Maxime Devos
2022-07-23 20:43 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-07-23 21:41 ` Maxime Devos
2022-07-23 21:52 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-07-23 22:13 ` Maxime Devos
2022-07-23 19:56 ` Maxime Devos
2022-07-23 20:53 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-07-23 22:01 ` Maxime Devos
2022-07-24 1:09 ` bokr
2022-07-23 15:11 ` bug#54691: [PATCH v2 " Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-07-23 15:11 ` bug#54691: [PATCH v3 3/6] " Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-07-23 15:13 ` bug#54691: [PATCH v2 3/5] gnu: Remove fortune-mod Liliana Marie Prikler
[not found] ` <87y1w5sarm.fsf_-_@gnu.org>
2022-08-03 17:09 ` bug#54691: fortune-mod propagates various non-nice things Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-08-04 12:23 ` Ludovic Courtès
2022-08-04 15:37 ` [bug#56599] " Tobias Geerinckx-Rice via Guix-patches via
2022-08-04 17:12 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-08-04 19:58 ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice via Bug reports for GNU Guix
[not found] ` <20220806230112.GA16948@LionPure>
2022-08-06 23:05 ` Maxime Devos
2022-07-23 15:13 ` bug#54691: [PATCH v3 4/6] gnu: Remove fortune-mod Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-07-23 15:13 ` bug#54691: [PATCH 3/5] " Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-07-23 19:58 ` Maxime Devos
2022-07-23 20:54 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-07-23 15:16 ` bug#54691: [PATCH v3 5/6] gnu: Remove rinutils Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-07-23 15:16 ` bug#54691: [PATCH 4/5] " Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-07-23 15:16 ` bug#54691: [PATCH v2 " Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-07-24 10:33 ` paren--- via Bug reports for GNU Guix
2022-07-24 11:27 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-07-23 15:17 ` bug#54691: [PATCH 5/5] gnu: Remove shlomif-cmake-modules Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-07-23 15:17 ` bug#54691: [PATCH v3 6/6] " Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-07-23 15:17 ` bug#54691: [PATCH v2 5/5] " Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-08-13 9:26 ` bug#54691: [PATCH v3 1/6] build-system: copy: Support #:tests? Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-08-28 22:16 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
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