From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp0 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id qCT5L+7FfWCeSQEAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2021 20:03:26 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp0 with LMTPS id yDj3Ku7FfWD6SQAA1q6Kng (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2021 18:03:26 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8FCCBC5C0 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2021 20:03:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:37624 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lYYF2-0006YE-Dk for larch@yhetil.org; Mon, 19 Apr 2021 14:03:24 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60762) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lYYEg-0006X7-Ie for bug-guix@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Apr 2021 14:03:02 -0400 Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:40445) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lYYEg-0003Dm-Af for bug-guix@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Apr 2021 14:03:02 -0400 Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lYYEg-0007SI-7K for bug-guix@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Apr 2021 14:03:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#47846: Feature Request: Add ability to disable having cache or generations Resent-From: bo0od Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-guix@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 18:03:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 47846 X-GNU-PR-Package: guix X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Leo Prikler , 47846@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 47846-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B47846.161885535028615 (code B ref 47846); Mon, 19 Apr 2021 18:03:02 +0000 Received: (at 47846) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Apr 2021 18:02:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51991 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lYYE6-0007RO-KS for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Apr 2021 14:02:30 -0400 Received: from mx1.riseup.net ([198.252.153.129]:53444) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lYYE1-0007R8-6K for 47846@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Apr 2021 14:02:25 -0400 Received: from fews1.riseup.net (fews1-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.83]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FPF5M49SCzDrBs; Mon, 19 Apr 2021 11:02:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1618855335; bh=7oV1jhL6hual4AVCUWjf4tlN46yW2dfe9PaKj82tdtk=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=fvzxP0lyHVJhkeGaUXgf4DFiLW7sa6GL2mwlAQvUZdaG2bsuUzCd4wAy5CVzC2M62 /tHg6l/rEUwP2467mTG8MCVv20kcS0Aw74qL0Tu/q0+yW2LhnIOH9DIK1wqyNiHJ1g Zqu6lRXeOGqzFNs6GpU/vaijOTH58mhiEO9eq1iI= X-Riseup-User-ID: A56594E15AF14084B9951A893FA60F21CE76B402B5752CB15017037DF5B15078 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4FPF5L0TZJz5vcc; Mon, 19 Apr 2021 11:02:13 -0700 (PDT) References: <34dd59bee8f503432a3eea3c55dde95a23ecc7f1.camel@student.tugraz.at> <9520d229-1188-bf19-f8e6-9747b7a0ed11@riseup.net> <673a04816e4ea2e12d4dfda2cda43ec64eb0d50d.camel@student.tugraz.at> <6d08fb6e-8fb6-8990-aa85-423bcc4f9ddd@riseup.net> <0f96ce30982303f0dfc6eb716a2b42527d3c2800.camel@student.tugraz.at> From: bo0od Message-ID: <2387b53d-e086-9d44-ef7e-9f99a02e7920@riseup.net> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 18:02:09 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <0f96ce30982303f0dfc6eb716a2b42527d3c2800.camel@student.tugraz.at> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-guix@gnu.org List-Id: Bug reports for GNU Guix List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-guix-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "bug-Guix" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1618855406; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding:resent-cc: resent-from:resent-sender:resent-message-id:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=0dY71H4l/8+Ri6AUZTbgnNju8P3hMYBD9XclZtGwKnk=; b=agaaWsMAncuNha+gtaGOmaGUw7200xX6kY9eIiIiTKCFYyuBqvng4GD6DYKLmNWWPaNQYh wgN8iVO8P6yeuQeBLpWL0qBTQELGOZX8Wn6CY48VkqHFy1kSBcBzFFeod86zjITKTKHkNr e7kiee8IJhgH5+nWMRnEoSNy8SLv2zo7FAfUbZk3hxRJG/mNr9MnWp4YgB1+XjCbNv2FEL 6AzALGgMRcJoQ/z4LtSaWIXCS3YfbzxwZSNviBBA5vjVJHGpXTsmejCWbzZajn6yTHOCUj aAyB1TK4fOGvqqQEobQLfgUI8iDoZKKp+lBZtzL2Ha6RCQMan/Rcb8CD7w2Vzw== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1618855406; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=EOVgaQLcfolBSEv6WvKhJ0MiseN0ox3EH7HYDDmdxTxEhW0fxy2j+pHO+I0CuEZIH4QAUG CrvnS2pc1buYSRGaCLTxPpFSyfgmTaauCjvyvASM8E7GBFN4NLfhr3RYnqKutrWhEW6UPr 8amIhAeZg4uo/rh/bFzNpwVR/rmq2PK+URj/Q7U76rfGnX9o2o3bzM8vTDRDkB3DPfzoel Mt8PS3UItLOirjJPzwrs4g3BtE5MPZF6rwckSC3b1QpEVrP7UFKz4vwkz/uKTUWOuW7Wng F0L2DmN83p35XLBdWyDu3SlcJIinxzWW+5YI07psypqYrBVjPB9WvizC0HmK6g== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=fvzxP0ly; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of bug-guix-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=bug-guix-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.34 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=fvzxP0ly; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=riseup.net (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of bug-guix-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=bug-guix-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 8FCCBC5C0 X-Spam-Score: -1.34 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: iz0XaIO+c+QM > It is common enough for desktop PCs and laptops, which is the use case > I'm talking about here. The entire feature im requesting is not for common things but for specific use cases. > I'm fairly certain you should be able to get test environments, that > fit this size via `guix environment', but if that's your plan, you > shouldn't do much else with the space you have. Im not sure im following how this solve the issue im describing. > Might I ask if you're > the kind to keep a separate /home? No, I use everything default and try finding enhancements,bugs after that. (bugs easier to be reproduced by others when you have strange behaviors). > though of > course, Debian, Arch, Gentoo etc. are all different distributions, that > produce it as a side-effect of what they're actually trying to do. "as a side-effect" not sure what do you mean. > How did other distributions "adopt this feature" in your opinion? Not sure how is this question correct as other distributions doesnt have rollback/generations..etc options in order to adopt anything from others except NixOS which i didnt yet asked them about this (I hope i wont be forced to use Nix instead of Guix). Good projects to look at which are actually rolling distros: Voidlinux(xbps)<- Good starting point/features, Arch(pacman). Worth mentioning: Kali(apt), Gentoo(portage). And if Nix going to provide such a similar feature then that would be interested to check on as well (maybe easier way to see it as well implemented within guix). Leo Prikler: > Hi, > > Am Sonntag, den 18.04.2021, 18:45 +0000 schrieb bo0od: >> > My bad, I meant to type 500GB (a fairly common disk size), but it >> turns >> > out my other laptop survives quite fine on 250. Fair enough, it's >> not >> > 32GB (common in phones), but then again, you'd run normally very >> > different packages on embedded systems. >> >> yeah 100+ GB thats too big, not always having this space is easy or >> available. > It is common enough for desktop PCs and laptops, which is the use case > I'm talking about here. If you're hosting a server, chances also are, > that you have that much, if not more space available. For cases, in > which you have significantly less memory available, there is a bare- > bones template. > >> > There are several ways of optimizing for profile size, one of >> which is >> > to not run huge browsers like icecat. I have no idea what kind of >> > system you're trying to fit into 20GB , but a hard idea thinking >> it's >> > the right kind. >> >> I have debian,fedora,kali,ubuntu,trisquel/triskel,arch... all with >> only >> 20GB space and working for testing purposes as im mostly working as >> software tester. > I'm fairly certain you should be able to get test environments, that > fit this size via `guix environment', but if that's your plan, you > shouldn't do much else with the space you have. Might I ask if you're > the kind to keep a separate /home? > >> > What kind of advanced removal strategies are you talking about? >> >> I didnt suggested how its done in my ticket, I gave the issue and >> feature request as a solution to it but how to do it the best way i >> leave this to the devs to decide not me. > "Please remove all my previous stuff whenever I upgrade a package" is a > rather specific feature request in my opinion. I don't think there is > much room for bikeshedding different implementations of it, though of > course, Debian, Arch, Gentoo etc. are all different distributions, that > produce it as a side-effect of what they're actually trying to do. > >> If out of ideas and nothing is available look at other distributions >> and >> see how its done and what can be taken from them and merge into guix >> to >> adopt this feature. > How did other distributions "adopt this feature" in your opinion? > > Regards, > Leo >