From: raingloom <raingloom@riseup.net>
To: 44808@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#44808: Default to allowing password authentication on leaves users vulnerable
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2020 04:46:15 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201123044615.13cc0898@riseup.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4383f179-8e3a-7ce6-0fc0-f4cefeaf613e@gmail.com>
On Mon, 23 Nov 2020 03:32:08 +0100
Taylan Kammer <taylan.kammer@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 23.11.2020 00:20, Christopher Lemmer Webber wrote:
> > Okay, I just realized I left a friend vulnerable by guiding them
> > through a Guix graphical install and telling them it would give
> > them a decent setup. They turned on openssh support.
> >
> > Then I realized their config had password-authentication? on.
> >
> > That's unacceptable. We need to change this default. This is
> > known to leave users open to attack, and selecting a password
> > secure enough against brute forcing is fairly difficult, much more
> > difficult than only allowing entry by keys. Plus, few
> > distributions do what we're doing anymore, precisely because of
> > wanting to be secure by default.
> >
> > Yes, I know some people want password authentication on as part of a
> > bootstrapping process. Fine... those users know to put it on.
> > Let's not leave our users open to attack by default though.
> >
> > Happy to produce a patch and change the documentation, but I'd like
> > to hear that we have consensus to make this change. But we should,
> > because otherwise else I think we're going to hurt users.
>
> I think most ideal would be if the user is asked the following two
> questions, with a short explanation of what each means:
>
> - Allow root login via SSH?
>
> - Allow password authentication in SSH?
>
> (I think Debian does this.)
>
> Because as you say, on one hand password authentication in SSH can be
> a security risk. But on the other hand many machines never have
> their SSH port exposed to the Internet, and the intranet is assumed
> to be safe. In those cases it would be an annoyance to have to enable
> it manually.
>
> Both points apply to direct root login as well I think.
>
> Allowing password authentication but disabling root login might also
> be considered safe enough on machines exposed to the Internet,
> because the attacker needs to guess the username as well. Only
> presents a small increase in complexity for the attacker though.
>
>
> - Taylan
>
>
>
Most people won't know why allowing password authentication is
unsecure. Either it should be worded differently, have a warning, or
not be an option.
Same goes doubly so for allowing root login.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-11-23 3:55 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-11-22 23:20 bug#44808: Default to allowing password authentication on leaves users vulnerable Christopher Lemmer Webber
2020-11-23 2:32 ` Taylan Kammer
2020-11-23 3:46 ` raingloom [this message]
2020-11-23 16:15 ` Christopher Lemmer Webber
2020-11-23 3:57 ` Carlo Zancanaro
2020-11-23 16:17 ` Christopher Lemmer Webber
2020-11-30 3:58 ` Maxim Cournoyer
2020-12-05 15:14 ` Ludovic Courtès
2020-12-05 18:22 ` Christopher Lemmer Webber
2020-12-07 11:51 ` Ludovic Courtès
2020-12-07 12:56 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2020-12-07 16:48 ` Christopher Lemmer Webber
2020-12-07 19:53 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2020-12-07 22:57 ` Mark H Weaver
2020-12-08 10:36 ` Ludovic Courtès
2020-12-09 1:31 ` Mark H Weaver
2020-12-10 8:17 ` Ludovic Courtès
2020-12-11 1:43 ` Mark H Weaver
2020-12-11 18:10 ` Ludovic Courtès
2020-12-08 13:48 ` Christopher Lemmer Webber
2020-12-07 19:40 ` Leo Famulari
2020-12-07 21:38 ` Christopher Lemmer Webber
2021-02-11 7:46 ` raid5atemyhomework via Bug reports for GNU Guix
2021-02-11 20:36 ` Leo Famulari
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