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From: Danny Milosavljevic <dannym@scratchpost.org>
To: Mathieu Othacehe <m.othacehe@gmail.com>
Cc: 35542@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#35542: Installer does not display full backtrace on error
Date: Sat, 4 May 2019 19:06:17 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190504190617.1b8a8efa@scratchpost.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87pnoy42o7.fsf@gmail.com>

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Hi Mathieu,

On Sat, 04 May 2019 18:14:48 +0200
Mathieu Othacehe <m.othacehe@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for testing Florian. Based on Danny suggestion we could set
> COLUMNS to 200 to have a more verbose backtrace (like guix itself).

Good idea in principle.

> Using higher values, the backtrace becomes really long and harder to
> read. WDYT?

When we have a designed error message, we present one--and, there, brevity
is good.

But backtraces are for developers only anyway, and are not designed error
messages.
So for backtraces I'm against throwing *anything* of the backtrace
message away because we don't know what part of it is important (if we
did, we'd print a designed error message instead--I'm all for doing that).

I think this is something the default Guile setting gets wrong and I
don't understand how it can be a good idea to suppress half of a
message intended to simplify debugging for a developer "because it's
too long".  The length is nothing compared to the amount of text a
developer has to type in order to reproduce the missing parts later on,
if it's even possible.

I'm even actually using core files (including attaching to them using a
debugger in order to examine variable values), so I might be an outlier.

So I'd be for either presenting the entire backtrace or suppressing the
entire backtrace, not having teaser backtraces :)

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-05-04 17:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-05-03  8:59 bug#35542: Installer does not display full backtrace on error pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-05-03  9:40 ` Danny Milosavljevic
2019-05-03 10:09 ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-05-03 12:15   ` Mathieu Othacehe
2019-05-03 17:46     ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-05-04  9:43       ` Mathieu Othacehe
2019-05-04 12:24         ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-05-04 12:54           ` Danny Milosavljevic
2019-05-04 16:14             ` Mathieu Othacehe
2019-05-04 16:15               ` Mathieu Othacehe
2019-05-08 14:35                 ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-05-14 12:09                   ` Mathieu Othacehe
2019-05-14 21:02                     ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-05-15  7:30                       ` Mathieu Othacehe
2019-05-04 17:06               ` Danny Milosavljevic [this message]
2019-05-04 17:38                 ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-05-04 17:40                   ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-05-04 17:26               ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-05-14 16:01         ` Danny Milosavljevic

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