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X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4864:20::432 X-BeenThere: guile-user@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: General Guile related discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "guile-user" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.lisp.guile.user:15224 Archived-At: On 1/16/19 6:00 PM, guile-user-request@gnu.org wrote: > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 09:27:50 -0500 > From: John Cowan > To: scheme-reports-wg1@googlegroups.com, > scheme-reports-wg2@googlegroups.com, chicken chicken > , chibi-scheme@googlegroups.com, > gambit-list@iro.umontreal.ca, guile-user , > srfi-160@srfi.schemers.org > Subject: Tangerine Edition penultimate report: how I voted, how you're > voting > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Well, there are two weeks to go on the Tangerine Edition ballot (cutoff is > 12 noon UTC on Saturday, February 2). So far, 18 people have voted, > including me. For the Red Edition we had 30 voters, so I hope some of you > who haven't voted yet will take an interest and give us your views. > Remember that you don't have to vote on all issues: choosing "No vote" is > equivalent to abstaining, which does not affect the outcome, as votes are > decided by a majority of the votes cast. > > As in the Red Edition, the choice of string library (issue #1) has been the > most controversial. There was no majority vote cast in the Red Edition, so > the issue is being reballoted. Currently, the index-based SRFI 152, which > is meant to be a simple basic string library, holds a majority position, > but only by a single vote. There is a strong minority for the original > SRFI 13, which is a superset (with a few deviations) of 152. SRFI 130, > which is cursor-based, has only a single vote. Three write-in votes were > cast for SRFI 140, which I excluded from Tangerine because it provides > adjustable-length strings. These, like all other features that can't be > implemented (at least minimally) on top of R7RS-small, have been postponed > to the Green Edition. I voted for SRFI 152. > > Issue #4, supplementing the Red Edition's SRFI 127 generators with their > dual, accumulators, is substantially beating the alternatives of status quo > and no library. Issue #6 is about bitwise operations on integers, and the > comprehensive SRFI 151 is dominating the R6RS alternative. The same thing > is happening with fixnums (issue #7) and flonums (issue #8), where SRFIs > 143 and 144, both supersets of R6RS, are getting more support than the R6RS > alternatives. SRFI 160 is a superset of SRFI 4 that provides homogeneous > vectors (issue #10), and it too is winning, though by a lesser margin. > Surprising to me is that for the combinator-based formatting library (issue > #11), the combinator-based SRFI 159 is in a majority position over SRFI 48, > the traditional template-based (as in Common Lisp) alternative. > Essentially all the remaining issues are yes/no/abstain, and yes is > dominant all down the line, though a little less so for ratios (issue #13) > and exact complex numbers (issue #16). I voted with the majority for all > of these except exact complex numbers. > > So what is happening is that people are voting for more rather than less, > as with the Red Edition. This encourages me that I'm going in a sensible > direction with the large language. > > -- John Cowan http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org It was > dreary and wearisome. Cold clammy winter still held sway in this > forsaken country. The only green was the scum of livid weed on the > dark greasy surfaces of the sullen waters. Dead grasses and rotting > reeds loomed up in the mists like ragged shadows of long-forgotten > summers. --LOTR, "The Passage of the Marshes" I am not sure I have a sufficiently informed opinion about SRFIs and such things. How experienced should a person be, as to not simply vote for something that superficially might sound great, but actually isn't so good and screw up the voting?