From: Zelphir Kaltstahl <zelphirkaltstahl@posteo.de>
To: mikael@djurfeldt.com
Cc: guile-user <guile-user@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Difference between pipes and ports
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2021 09:48:52 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <e39a95bf-e68b-5ede-4b4e-0e97b717e01b@posteo.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAA2Xvw+GqSGP7mtEp_oGYX0Bznc4osrAd541-S3mqBkr1+fY_Q@mail.gmail.com>
Hello Mikael!
Thank you, that makes it clearer. Different levels of abstraction and pipes of
the OS level are represented as ports in Guile. I think I understand now. I
quite like the ports concept with its many uses.
Best regards,
Zelphir
On 8/11/21 5:16 AM, Mikael Djurfeldt wrote:
> Hi Zelphir!
>
> A port is a scheme level concept which represents input and output devices.
>
> Stdin, stdout and stderr are file descriptors which is an OS level concept.
>
> A pipe is also an OS level concept. It is a communication stream between two
> processes. In the OS, it is represented as a file descriptor once opened.
>
> The function open-input-pipe creates a child process and opens a pipe from it.
> In the OS, the pipe is represented as a file descriptor. This is represented
> as a port at the scheme level.
>
> In Guile, this port also has some extra information: It has a type, #{read
> pipe}, and also carries (i believe) some extra information, such as the
> process identifier of the child process.
>
> Best regards,
> Mikael
>
> Den ons 11 aug. 2021 03:14Zelphir Kaltstahl <zelphirkaltstahl@posteo.de
> <mailto:zelphirkaltstahl@posteo.de>> skrev:
>
> Hello Guile users,
>
> I recently came across
> https://www.draketo.de/software/guile-capture-stdout-stderr.html
> <https://www.draketo.de/software/guile-capture-stdout-stderr.html>
> <https://www.draketo.de/software/guile-capture-stdout-stderr.html
> <https://www.draketo.de/software/guile-capture-stdout-stderr.html>> and
> wrote a
> commented version at
> https://notabug.org/ZelphirKaltstahl/guile-examples/src/master/input-output/stdout-stderr.scm
> <https://notabug.org/ZelphirKaltstahl/guile-examples/src/master/input-output/stdout-stderr.scm>
> <https://notabug.org/ZelphirKaltstahl/guile-examples/src/master/input-output/stdout-stderr.scm
> <https://notabug.org/ZelphirKaltstahl/guile-examples/src/master/input-output/stdout-stderr.scm>>.
>
> While looking at the code, I was starting to wonder, what the difference
> between
> a pipe and a port is. The reference manual does not say much about any
> definition of what a pipe is at
> https://www.gnu.org/software/guile/manual/html_node/Pipes.html
> <https://www.gnu.org/software/guile/manual/html_node/Pipes.html>
> <https://www.gnu.org/software/guile/manual/html_node/Pipes.html
> <https://www.gnu.org/software/guile/manual/html_node/Pipes.html>> and pipe
> procedure return values are also named port.
>
> However, in the REPL, they look not the same:
>
> ~~~~
> scheme@(guile-user)> (import (ice-9 popen))
> scheme@(guile-user)> (open-input-pipe "ls -al")
> $2 = #<input: #{read pipe}# 13>
> ~~~~
>
> And here for ports:
>
> ~~~~
> scheme@(guile-user)> (call-with-output-string
> (λ (port)
> (display port)))
> #<output: file 7fa2a99471c0>$6 = ""
> ~~~~
>
> Is a pipe just a special kind of port? Does it wrap a port? Or is it perhaps
> merely a different terminology used in different contexts in the reference
> manual?
>
> Best regards,
> Zelphir
>
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