From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Maxime Devos Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.user Subject: Re: Newbie thoughts on Guile Hall + Guix Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2022 16:13:46 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87iltt846s.fsf@dustycloud.org> <87v8xsq0zl.fsf@dustycloud.org> <87tudc140c.fsf@elephly.net> <87tudc2hny.fsf@vijaymarupudi.com> <86a6f43uuh.fsf@sdf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="pgp-sha512"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-KwDYJnnQC4k76ACJz1Fu" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="3617"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Evolution 3.38.3-1 To: Ognen Duzlevski , guile-user@gnu.org Original-X-From: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Feb 06 16:14:22 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-user@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nGjF8-0000k4-12 for guile-user@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 06 Feb 2022 16:14:22 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56564 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nGjF6-0000yI-Om for guile-user@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 06 Feb 2022 10:14:20 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:39796) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nGjEn-0000yA-7k for guile-user@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Feb 2022 10:14:01 -0500 Original-Received: from [2a02:1800:120:4::f00:13] (port=60710 helo=baptiste.telenet-ops.be) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nGjEk-0003Aw-W3 for guile-user@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Feb 2022 10:14:00 -0500 Original-Received: from [172.20.10.5] ([188.188.37.53]) by baptiste.telenet-ops.be with bizsmtp id rrDm2600S18o4tG01rDpd2; Sun, 06 Feb 2022 16:13:51 +0100 In-Reply-To: <86a6f43uuh.fsf@sdf.org> DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=telenet.be; s=r22; t=1644160431; bh=N1+zW92gpylaqbHg5n9SsGvOhYEBej5bM+1U+r3kq6Q=; h=Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References; b=CwoWcHHKNsF6H8lwFWsGA6BhOYiP4NQls5eH5XtvgIloICylrHJSUxqcOIQDLN83P ISg+p9aYwHSP2Bb7tyajAO1zfo4jkC3TmegT9rpLRBE52p0PMzYVyqJjzENOqZBfrN ZJXGSv2mgkIG1DBGCOqW37jkjdasY4Kmcmt+bG5bt0k615BpdPNcorieHGAayeRsEO nXPf/ZvQ0myAb1ouKqzM6gpNax4P9O1tj3rJM/8k41yKh1XXyVw+MlCwcYYi9Qk1EU SLVySFttCpUqk59sct9vBuzAelxzirkHNMmEfTjtGyjMl+4dNyg+Fwb8indFnMY8je OcOAjXLB2DPxg== X-Host-Lookup-Failed: Reverse DNS lookup failed for 2a02:1800:120:4::f00:13 (failed) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a02:1800:120:4::f00:13; envelope-from=maximedevos@telenet.be; helo=baptiste.telenet-ops.be X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.0 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RDNS_NONE=0.793, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guile-user@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: General Guile related discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "guile-user" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.lisp.guile.user:18011 Archived-At: --=-KwDYJnnQC4k76ACJz1Fu Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ognen Duzlevski schreef op zo 06-02-2022 om 09:53 [-0500]: > > Asking beginners to use Guix is too much of a jump I think. But get > > them > > hooked on Guile with an easy package manager and a rich ecosystem, > > and I > > think they will come to appreciate Guix and other free software > > projects, like I did. >=20 > I agree. > I have already been through the learning curve of Emacs, scheme > etc. At what point do I focus on just getting my job done and having > a life outside of the computer instead of constantly being on the > treadmill of learning one more concept/tool/specific to get a small > benefit out of it? People should always remember the 80/20 > principle... In that case, wouldn't a Guile-specific package manager count as yet another tool to be learned? Wouldn't using a single package manager (Guix) for everything -- Emacs, Guile, Racket, Python, C stuff ..., instead of learning a new language-specific package manager every time you use a new language? As such, I cannot reconcile your =E2=80=98I agree= =E2=80=99 with your explanation, your explanation would seem better fitting with =E2=80=98I disagree=E2=80=99. Anyway, there's already a Scheme package manager, e.g. https://akkuscm.org/ (supports Racket, Guile, Chibi, ...) and http://snow-fort.org/, so if we go for a Scheme-specific package manager anyway, I'd rather avoid reinventing the wheel if possible. Warning: I've never tried any of these Scheme package managers. I don't know if they are good. Greetings, Maxime. --=-KwDYJnnQC4k76ACJz1Fu Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iI0EABYKADUWIQTB8z7iDFKP233XAR9J4+4iGRcl7gUCYf/lqhccbWF4aW1lZGV2 b3NAdGVsZW5ldC5iZQAKCRBJ4+4iGRcl7lQjAPsE1fdmgHAEf9vssUrNUCp5BNro /CyztzrgBijmI+Ys1AD9HZqvHd0TpFfRP6MH8+Z5Lkh317LYQlu7qW/OmGw2Cgc= =dFhj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-KwDYJnnQC4k76ACJz1Fu--