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From: Thien-Thi Nguyen <ttn@giblet.glug.org>
Cc: guile-devel@gnu.org, guile-user@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [d.love@dl.ac.uk: dynamic loading of native code modules]
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:24:34 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aa51j2$kpk$2@main.gmane.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <878z7rqfrg.fsf@raven.i.defaultvalue.org> (message from Rob Browning on Sat, 13 Apr 2002 19:34:59 -0500)

   From: Rob Browning <rlb@defaultvalue.org>
   Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 19:34:59 -0500

   Don't get me wrong, I'm not opposed to a more user-friendly,
   higher-level interface, but IMO we need a sufficiently flexible
   alternate (or lower-level) interface first,

this is the problem: there already was an interface first.  actions to
date are viewed by users as changes to that interface.  if a higher (or
different) interface is required that takes time to develop, that's no
problem.  but don't drop the one that's being used currently.  if the
implementation is to change, the least you can do is to support the old
interface.

the users don't care about the intention.  instead, they just see pain
and put the blame (rightly) on those who did that change.  it is the
users who would typify this kind of change as "rob".

   and in the process we need to come up with a coherent solution that
   includes shared-lib-esque versioning for scheme level modules
   (i.e. via use-modules).  We also need to make sure that our interface
   abstracts the lowest levels enough so that we can work around any
   libtool "issues".  I have a good idea of how I think most of this
   should look, but was planning that this wait until 1.8.

you should write down your good idea under workbook/ so that it can be
refined w/ input from all stakeholders (notably the users!).  keeping it
a secret doesn't help.  delaying "discussion" (which is lost in the spam
ridden archives) is not recommended.

thi

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-04-24  0:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <E16vpWV-0001wJ-00@giblet>
2002-04-13  8:50 ` [d.love@dl.ac.uk: dynamic loading of native code modules] Neil Jerram
2002-04-14  0:34 ` Rob Browning
     [not found] ` <m3n0w8ugmp.fsf@laruns.ossau.uklinux.net>
2002-04-14  0:58   ` Rob Browning
2002-04-14 21:30   ` Marius Vollmer
     [not found]   ` <874rifqeo8.fsf@raven.i.defaultvalue.org>
2002-04-14 22:22     ` Neil Jerram
     [not found]     ` <m3bsclsyxn.fsf@laruns.ossau.uklinux.net>
2002-04-15  4:21       ` Rob Browning
2002-04-15 12:15       ` Marius Vollmer
     [not found]       ` <87lmbpiocf.fsf@raven.i.defaultvalue.org>
2002-04-15 13:27         ` "byte compilers, was " Bill Schottstaedt
2002-04-24  7:34           ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2002-04-16 20:23         ` Neil Jerram
     [not found]         ` <m3sn5vpf43.fsf@laruns.ossau.uklinux.net>
2002-04-17  5:25           ` Rob Browning
2002-04-20  8:14           ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
     [not found]           ` <E16yq0k-0003ji-00@giblet>
2002-04-20 11:07             ` Neil Jerram
     [not found]       ` <873cxxkvj8.fsf@zagadka.ping.de>
2002-04-16 20:24         ` Neil Jerram
     [not found]         ` <m3n0w3pf1n.fsf@laruns.ossau.uklinux.net>
2002-04-17  0:53           ` NIIBE Yutaka
2002-04-17  5:36           ` Rob Browning
     [not found]           ` <200204170053.g3H0rX008200@mule.m17n.org>
2002-04-20  7:57             ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
     [not found]           ` <874riahonj.fsf@raven.i.defaultvalue.org>
2002-04-17  5:43             ` Rob Browning
2002-04-20  7:53             ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
     [not found]             ` <E16ypgs-0003jQ-00@giblet>
2002-04-21 15:20               ` Rob Browning
     [not found]               ` <87ofgdqdr9.fsf@raven.i.defaultvalue.org>
2002-04-21 15:51                 ` Robert A. Uhl
     [not found]                 ` <20020421095106.A31437@4dv.net>
2002-04-21 16:27                   ` Rob Browning
2002-05-14  8:53                 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2002-04-23 21:19             ` news
     [not found]   ` <87ads6nf1v.fsf@zagadka.ping.de>
2002-04-15 17:58     ` Andreas Rottmann
     [not found]     ` <87it6s7sjz.fsf@alice.rhinosaur.lan>
2002-04-15 19:06       ` Marius Vollmer
2002-04-24  8:00       ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
     [not found]       ` <E170Hh6-0007Y8-00@giblet>
2002-04-24 14:33         ` Rob Browning
     [not found]         ` <87662hkvya.fsf@raven.i.defaultvalue.org>
2002-04-24 14:51           ` rm
     [not found]           ` <20020424145130.GC17392@www>
2002-04-24 15:14             ` Andreas Rottmann
2002-04-24 15:28             ` Rob Browning
     [not found]             ` <87y9fd5dsj.fsf@alice.rhinosaur.lan>
2002-04-24 15:48               ` Rob Browning
     [not found]               ` <87vgahjdwc.fsf@raven.i.defaultvalue.org>
2002-04-24 16:15                 ` Bill Gribble
     [not found]                 ` <1019664949.936.80.camel@flophouse>
2002-04-24 16:24                   ` Rob Browning
2002-04-24 18:10                   ` Andreas Rottmann
     [not found]                   ` <87ofg955n8.fsf@alice.rhinosaur.lan>
2002-04-24 20:36                     ` Rob Browning
2002-04-25  2:05                       ` Joshua Judson Rosen
     [not found]                       ` <20020425020550.GL29646@linger.twisted-muse.org>
2002-04-25  3:03                         ` Rob Browning
2002-04-24 18:06                 ` Andreas Rottmann
     [not found]                 ` <87sn5l55us.fsf@alice.rhinosaur.lan>
2002-04-24 20:40                   ` Rob Browning
     [not found]                   ` <87sn5khlub.fsf@raven.i.defaultvalue.org>
2002-04-24 20:53                     ` Andreas Rottmann
     [not found]                     ` <0204291926190H.10649@locke.free-expression.org>
2002-04-30  1:35                       ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
     [not found]                       ` <E172MY6-0002fd-00@giblet>
2002-04-30  2:33                         ` Lynn Winebarger
2002-05-04  0:19                           ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
     [not found]             ` <871yd5ktf5.fsf@raven.i.defaultvalue.org>
2002-05-15  0:19               ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2002-04-24 18:34           ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
     [not found]           ` <E170Rb4-0008B0-00@giblet>
2002-04-24 18:58             ` Rob Browning
     [not found]             ` <873cxkj54j.fsf@raven.i.defaultvalue.org>
2002-04-25  5:32               ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2002-05-01  5:00           ` Lynn Winebarger
     [not found]           ` <0205010000300Q.10649@locke.free-expression.org>
2002-05-01 13:50             ` Rob Browning
2002-04-24  0:52     ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2002-04-20  9:06   ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
     [not found]   ` <E16yqp7-0003n6-00@giblet>
     [not found]     ` <m3elhasjez.fsf@laruns.ossau.uklinux.net>
2002-04-20 12:44       ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2002-04-24  0:09   ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
     [not found] ` <878z7rqfrg.fsf@raven.i.defaultvalue.org>
2002-04-14  2:55   ` Rob Browning
2002-04-24  0:24   ` Thien-Thi Nguyen [this message]
     [not found]   ` <E170AaI-00070x-00@giblet>
2002-04-24  5:25     ` Rob Browning
     [not found]     ` <87znztllbx.fsf@raven.i.defaultvalue.org>
2002-05-14 10:57       ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
     [not found]       ` <E177a03-0000H2-00@giblet>
2002-05-14 16:11         ` Bill Gribble
     [not found]         ` <1021392674.802.71.camel@flophouse>
2002-05-14 20:54           ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2002-04-12  1:06 Thien-Thi Nguyen

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