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From: Amirouche <amirouche@hypermove.net>
To: guile-user@gnu.org
Subject: How to make GNU Guile more successful
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2017 00:56:26 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a15a7ea7-ccdf-44ad-9789-c40251548e68@hypermove.net> (raw)

I don't know why Racket is successful probably because
it has a very good documentation and also a documentation
generator written in scheme.

  => This is a long debate and core principle of GNU project
     so I don't want to enter that debate

And it's easy to packages.

  => Another pain topic. In reality it's very easy to package
     all sort of guile programs for guix. But guix itself needs
     to be more stable.

Python is successful because it has a massive number
of libraries. In particular it has dozens of:

- web framework
- library to generate diagrams and graphical stuff
- scientific libraries (machine learning and others)
- books which teach python (the good enough way)
- 2D and 3D libraries for games

   => We (all the people reading this mail) can not just
      create all those projects. It requires to many domain
      knowledge for a handful of people to be able to compete.
      But what we can do is *share*, *share* and *share*
      again *all* what we do (on mailing list, blogs, on gitlab
      or whatever) whether it is a full blown project with a
      website made by a professional designer with tests suite,
      a tutorial documentation reference doc and a community or
      a simple *snippet* or broken experiments. I have lost
      (read deleteted) at least the code of 5 or 6 experiments
      only to recognize later that it could be useful for future
      me.

   => In terms of software I really think, we need something like
      ActiveState Python Cookbook [0]. I still go there sometime even
      I could simply ask the question on StackOverflow and get an
      answer in minutes.

      [0] http://code.activestate.com/recipes/langs/python/

During a long time I was said that Pythonist were
among the smartest developer, because simply they had
the guts to learn a language that was not learned in
school.

  => this can be true for schemers;

Python *was* easy to learn.

  => Scheme is easy to learn if you stick in the "garden"
     (garden must be defined but it's basically what I
     introduce in my tutorial [1]) Which is totally the
     same for the Python of today (read Python 3.5+).

     [1] http://hyperdev.fr

PHP was successful back in the days because it was easy
to install,

    => A scheme web application is much easier to run!

Now PHP is successful because there is a few successful
software written in it. By successful I mean they GTD.
They aren't perfect, you get bitten etc. But the basic
are there. I think about Drupal, Wordpress and Prestashop.

    => While you might not be interested to build something
       like prestashop. You very much be interested to build
       something like Drupal or Wordpress to allow mom and
       dad and others create a personnal experience on the
       web.

Another thing, Python has GNU Media Goblin

    => We must do better!

WDYT?

What block you from contributing to the wide ecosystem of GNU Guile?

Best regards,

Amirouche




             reply	other threads:[~2017-02-12 23:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 131+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-02-12 23:56 Amirouche [this message]
2017-02-13  0:21 ` How to make GNU Guile more successful Amirouche
2017-02-13 11:06 ` Arne Babenhauserheide
2017-02-13 12:14   ` Arne Babenhauserheide
2017-02-13 20:20   ` Amirouche
2017-02-13 23:08     ` Arne Babenhauserheide
2017-02-13 20:28   ` Panicz Maciej Godek
2017-02-13 20:42     ` Amirouche
2017-02-13 22:34     ` Marko Rauhamaa
2017-02-13 23:56       ` Arne Babenhauserheide
2017-02-14  0:18         ` David Kastrup
2017-02-14 22:21           ` Arne Babenhauserheide
2017-02-15 17:03           ` Christopher Allan Webber
2017-02-16 19:18             ` sirgazil
2017-02-16 20:26               ` Amirouche
2017-02-14  5:59         ` Marko Rauhamaa
2017-02-14 19:36           ` Linas Vepstas
2017-02-14 20:54             ` Marko Rauhamaa
2017-02-14 22:20           ` Arne Babenhauserheide
2017-02-13 22:54     ` Arne Babenhauserheide
2017-02-14  9:54       ` Panicz Maciej Godek
2017-02-14 21:35         ` Arne Babenhauserheide
2017-03-01 19:21           ` Amirouche
2017-03-10 20:23             ` Amirouche
2017-07-14 21:54     ` Linas Vepstas
2017-07-14 21:59       ` Marko Rauhamaa
2017-07-15 10:10       ` Jan Wedekind
2017-07-15 12:55         ` Nala Ginrut
2017-07-15 12:58           ` Nala Ginrut
2017-07-15 22:17           ` Jan Wedekind
2017-07-16  9:54             ` Nala Ginrut
2017-07-17 18:52         ` Arun Isaac
2017-07-18 11:22         ` Ernest Adrogué
2017-07-16  8:30       ` Freja Nordsiek
2017-07-16  9:18         ` Marko Rauhamaa
2017-07-16 10:11           ` Freja Nordsiek
2017-07-16 10:31             ` Marko Rauhamaa
2017-07-16 10:39               ` Freja Nordsiek
2017-07-16 10:45                 ` Freja Nordsiek
2017-07-20 15:28       ` Guile bugs Ludovic Courtès
2017-07-20 16:22         ` Marko Rauhamaa
2017-07-20 18:26           ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2017-07-20 18:35             ` Marko Rauhamaa
2017-07-20 20:41               ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-07-20 22:23                 ` Marko Rauhamaa
2017-07-21  4:05                   ` Mark H Weaver
2017-07-21  6:15                     ` Marko Rauhamaa
2017-07-21  8:16                       ` Chris Vine
2017-07-21  8:27                         ` Marko Rauhamaa
2017-07-21  9:17                       ` Mark H Weaver
2017-07-21 10:08                         ` Marko Rauhamaa
2017-07-21 10:22                           ` David Kastrup
2017-09-09 21:14                       ` Linas Vepstas
2017-09-09 22:31                         ` Marko Rauhamaa
2017-09-09 23:02                           ` Linas Vepstas
2017-07-21 16:33               ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2017-07-21 17:12                 ` Marko Rauhamaa
2017-07-21 14:19           ` Matt Wette
2017-09-09 20:30         ` Linas Vepstas
2017-09-10 13:11           ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-09-10 19:56             ` Linas Vepstas
2017-09-11  7:26               ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-09-11  8:10                 ` Marko Rauhamaa
2017-09-11 11:34                   ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-09-14 17:54                 ` Linas Vepstas
2017-09-15  7:56                   ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-09-19 11:04                     ` Linas Vepstas
2017-09-19 20:18                       ` Chris Vine
2017-09-19 20:21                         ` Chris Vine
2017-09-19 23:39                           ` Nala Ginrut
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2017-02-18  1:04 How to make GNU Guile more successful sirgazil
     [not found] ` <6315ebf51aec83aaff1c7fbbec685c0b@openmailbox.org>
2017-02-18 15:29   ` sirgazil
2017-02-18 16:55     ` David Pirotte
2017-02-19 18:09       ` sirgazil
2017-02-20  1:00         ` David Pirotte
2017-02-20  6:05 Michael Vehrs
2017-02-20 20:41 ` Arne Babenhauserheide
2017-02-21  6:01   ` Michael Vehrs
2017-02-21 17:18     ` Arne Babenhauserheide
2017-02-21 18:19       ` Amirouche
2017-02-21 18:31         ` Mike Gran
2017-02-21 18:33           ` Amirouche
2017-02-21 18:41             ` Mike Gran
2017-02-21 18:15     ` Amirouche
2017-02-21 19:25       ` Arne Babenhauserheide
2017-03-01 19:25         ` Amirouche
2017-03-03  5:28           ` Nala Ginrut
2017-03-03  9:18             ` David Kastrup
2017-03-03 11:30               ` Nala Ginrut
2017-03-03 12:19                 ` David Kastrup
2017-03-03 13:35                   ` Nala Ginrut
2017-03-04 23:44               ` Arne Babenhauserheide
2017-03-05  2:05                 ` Thomas Morley
2017-03-05 14:01                   ` Thomas Morley
2017-03-05 14:09                     ` David Kastrup
2017-03-05 14:13                       ` Thomas Morley
2017-03-05 14:27                     ` Thomas Morley
2017-03-03 17:21             ` Matt Wette
2017-03-03 19:09               ` Amirouche
2017-03-03 19:16               ` Amirouche
2017-03-03 19:24                 ` Mike Gran
2017-03-03 20:10                   ` Matt Wette
2017-03-03 20:09                 ` Matt Wette
2017-02-22  5:51     ` Michael Vehrs
2017-03-04 23:41 Alejandro Sanchez
2017-03-05  0:23 ` Arne Babenhauserheide
2017-03-05  8:23   ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2017-03-05 14:19     ` Arne Babenhauserheide
2017-03-05  3:09 ` Erik Edrosa
2017-03-05 11:57   ` Jan Wedekind
2017-03-07  3:29     ` Erik Edrosa
2017-03-05 14:27   ` Arne Babenhauserheide
2017-03-05 16:43     ` Nala Ginrut
2017-03-05 23:46       ` Alejandro Sanchez
2017-03-06  9:00         ` Arne Babenhauserheide
2017-03-06  1:31       ` Matt Wette
2017-03-07  4:07     ` Erik Edrosa
2017-03-05  9:40 ` David Kastrup
2017-03-10  2:08 Vítor De Araújo
2017-03-10  9:55 ` Arne Babenhauserheide
2017-03-10 10:03   ` Panicz Maciej Godek
2017-03-10 14:27     ` vbuaraujo
2017-03-10 15:08       ` Panicz Maciej Godek
2017-03-11  7:19         ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2017-03-13 15:55           ` Nala Ginrut
2017-03-13 16:14             ` Panicz Maciej Godek
2017-03-10 20:17 ` Amirouche
2017-03-11  0:50   ` Vítor De Araújo
2017-03-11  3:02     ` Vítor De Araújo
2017-03-11  7:42   ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2017-03-14  3:26 ` Christopher Allan Webber

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